Greatest Heavyweight Of All-Time, Semi-Final: Mike Tyson vs. George Foreman

good topic! i said tyson...tough decision though

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I find it comical that you ALWAYS try to compare Frazier to Tyson,

#1 Frazier was slow and plodding with limited handspeed

#2 Frazier Bobbed and weaved which played into Foremans bludgeoning upper cut style, Tyson had superb head movement and was side to side like a windshield wiper

#3 Tyson was a combination concussive puncher and had the ability in his prime to put 4-5 combos together and had terrific footwork and could close the distance as good as most welterweights cause of his coordination and athleticism... Frazier was as graceful as a Hippo and lacked even the smidge of the footwork Tyson had.

I will say this, unless this fight takes place PRE-PRISON and got to be around the 9th round I dont think Tyson could hold it together mentally he might quit.

This is gonna sound like a farce but Tyson could absorb 10 fights worth of punishment in the 1st 7 rounds and still stand and fight with all the heart in the world, but around 9-10th round unless he KO's George Mike would pack it in

Tyson Tko by round 6

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#1 if Frazier's handspeed was so limited I guess Ali wasn't all that fast....besides it's the PRESSURE Joe applied that resembles Tyson's style


#2 Frazier bobbed up and down....good for missing hooks, bad for missing uppercuts.....Tyson went side to side and at times tried to tie up on the inside (yes even in his freaking Prime he had spells where he did nothing on the inside) It didn't matter where Tyson ducked because Foreman used his extended arms to push his opponent into place and then unload.....DODGE A PUSH and maybe you'll have a chance at dodging the punch but since he'd be off balance to begin with then countering would be impossible.

#3 Tyson threw combinations but I just can't see George sitting there and eating those up without doing something about it.


You say Tyson could stop George with speed but honestly Mike Tyson never saw ANYONE close to the talents of George Foreman whereas Foreman fought in the best era ever and totally demolished a fighter with a somewhat similar style and with TWICE the heart of Mike Tyson.





How was Frazier similar to Tyson....he applied pressure, he had massive power, he had a very good chin.

How was he different....Frazier looked to land 1-2 punches....Tyson could do that but also 3-4 punches at times....don't act like ALL Tyson did was throw combos, he threw 1 at a time a lot as well but the point is he was a better combination puncher. Frazier's defense was a cross block/shell with head movement up and down Tyson's defense was a peek-a-boo with side to side headmovement......would that matter? Probably not because George just aimed to hit you it didn't matter where....but go on believing in the Mike 'The Perfect Fighter' Tyson.


FYI Tyson fans.....Mike Tyson didn't just lose because he stopped training, sure it didn't help vs Douglas but HONESTLY would a well trained Tyson have beaten him??? If you believe that you're just dillusional and probably still thinking "if only Kevin Rooney trained Tyson he could still win a title"

Every time Tyson has been stopped it is when he cant stop someone early and he starts to move his head less and less as the rounds go on. There is no way Tyson could KO Holyfield imo and definately not early in the fight. Foreman is a master at the simple 1-2 combination and when that right hand lands on the smaller Tyson its good night in around the 10th or 11th round.

Lyle.

Mike Tyson never saw ANYONE close to the talents of George Foreman

Is that some kind of a joke ???



If it wasnt for Foremans Power he would be less than mediocre.. He wasnt a good technically sound boxer, he was slow and had no defense whatsoever unless getting punched in the head is considered a defensive style as well as having dodgy stamina..

Foreman was intimidating and powerful that was it

as far as Frazier go's
he would get beat by Tyson 7 days a week and 5x on Sunday, its as simple as that!!!!

I would give 40 year old George a better chance against a Prime Tyson than I would in George's Prime

In his 40's he was a special person and fighter, he was willing to walk thru hell and back to win, I swear God Protected his chin every fight, he would absorb helacious punches and keep coming forward and hung on despite the adversity, that George had a better shot of weathering the Tyson storm and gutting out a war of attricion. I value Old George anytime over his 1st career he had the will and determination that was something majestic and stuff of legend. the heart he displayed in his 2nd career alone made him an alltime great

No JT I am not joking.....tell me 1 fighter Tyson fought in his prime that was either close to Foreman's status OR that could beat Foreman



Get off your Mike Tyson high horse and admit he was a Dead Man Walking vs Foreman either in his 20's or in his 40's!

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As for Tyson-Frazier...don't be so sure Tyson would win that one either!

there is nothing in that clip that would change my mind other wise..... Tyson would all over George like stink on shiit, for every one Foreman would land Tyson would snap off 2-3... Not to mention along with his chin his uppercutting was grossly UNDERRATED..

I never said Tyson was greater than Foreman or Frazier, just that it is an ideal matchup for Mike that would favor him OVERWHELMINGLY ;)

listen i dont know why you hold Tyson so high all he did during his prime is beat bums and a 36 year old Holmes and then got knocked out by buster Douglas which i dont care what people say he was not past it when he fought Douglas and if he faced forman he get knocked out because George chin was better then Tyson and he was stronger and would catch Tyson at some point and knock him out cold

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

there is nothing in that clip that would change my mind other wise..... Tyson would all over George like stink on shiit, for every one Foreman would land Tyson would snap off 2-3... Not to mention along with his chin his uppercutting was grossly UNDERRATED..

I never said Tyson was greater than Foreman or Frazier, just that it is an ideal matchup for Mike that would favor him OVERWHELMINGLY ;)

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Dude....the way Foreman fought Frazier would be a great way to beat Tyson.

People say what a phenom Tyson was but he had been boxing since he was like 13....George Foreman on the other hand learned to box, a year later he won the gold medal in Mexico City in 1968 and in 1973 he was undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

Mike Tyson could even get to the Olympics, he needed 4 rounds to take out an OLD Larry Holmes and he never fought a GREAT fighter in his Prime.....Old Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks at heavyweight don't count as Michael Spinks was a great LIGHT heavyweight and Larry Holmes was great at the end of the 70's and start of the 80's.

Now Tyson was a Great fighter but he wasn't near what Foreman was....he KO'd people but not like Foreman.

Foreman would have thumped Tyson within 3 rounds. I do think a prime Tyson has become underrated because of the freak show he became after he got out of prison, and I think there are some all-time greats he would have beaten. But his style was tailored made for Foreman. It was slick guys like Ali and Young who gave George problems. A short, inside pressure fighter will get thumped by a prime Foreman 10 times out of 10.

bravo, have a cool click

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I had to go for Tyson. He was just unstoppable in his prime.

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You need to watch some old Foreman fights!

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson because he had better technique, size, speed, timing and power than Frasier. Foreman would not have time to set up his punches. In a strange way it could go to points if no-one was knocked out early similar to the Rudduck fight where both just absorb the bombs and Tyson had better conditioning at his best.

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Foreman stood up to Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier, and when he was 40 plus years old he took punches from Holyfield that knocked out Mike Tyson......George took those when he was 40.....AND he hurt Holyfield some in the fight too....more than Tyson ever did and don't bring up this PRIME stuff George was 40 freaking years old when he fought Evander so Mike has NO EXCUSES!

Tyson was smaller than Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier had good head movement too and look what it got him....KNOCKED THE FUNK OUT....twice

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I find it comical that you ALWAYS try to compare Frazier to Tyson,

#1 Frazier was slow and plodding with limited handspeed

#2 Frazier Bobbed and weaved which played into Foremans bludgeoning upper cut style, Tyson had superb head movement and was side to side like a windshield wiper

#3 Tyson was a combination concussive puncher and had the ability in his prime to put 4-5 combos together and had terrific footwork and could close the distance as good as most welterweights cause of his coordination and athleticism... Frazier was as graceful as a Hippo and lacked even the smidge of the footwork Tyson had.

I will say this, unless this fight takes place PRE-PRISON and got to be around the 9th round I dont think Tyson could hold it together mentally he might quit.

This is gonna sound like a farce but Tyson could absorb 10 fights worth of punishment in the 1st 7 rounds and still stand and fight with all the heart in the world, but around 9-10th round unless he KO's George Mike would pack it in

Tyson Tko by round 6

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Have you been exposed as someone who hasn't any knowledge before 1987.
Poor form. Have you ever seen Frazier fight? No you haven't is the answer.

Absolute nonsense of a post. Tyson can't KO Tucker or Bonecrusher in his prime but somehow manages to stop Foreman in 6! Sort your act out cos it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

I had to go for Tyson. He was just unstoppable in his prime.

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You need to watch some old Foreman fights!

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson because he had better technique, size, speed, timing and power than Frasier. Foreman would not have time to set up his punches. In a strange way it could go to points if no-one was knocked out early similar to the Rudduck fight where both just absorb the bombs and Tyson had better conditioning at his best.

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Foreman stood up to Ron Lyle, Joe Frazier, and when he was 40 plus years old he took punches from Holyfield that knocked out Mike Tyson......George took those when he was 40.....AND he hurt Holyfield some in the fight too....more than Tyson ever did and don't bring up this PRIME stuff George was 40 freaking years old when he fought Evander so Mike has NO EXCUSES!

Tyson was smaller than Joe Frazier

Joe Frazier had good head movement too and look what it got him....KNOCKED THE FUNK OUT....twice

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I find it comical that you ALWAYS try to compare Frazier to Tyson,

#1 Frazier was slow and plodding with limited handspeed

#2 Frazier Bobbed and weaved which played into Foremans bludgeoning upper cut style, Tyson had superb head movement and was side to side like a windshield wiper

#3 Tyson was a combination concussive puncher and had the ability in his prime to put 4-5 combos together and had terrific footwork and could close the distance as good as most welterweights cause of his coordination and athleticism... Frazier was as graceful as a Hippo and lacked even the smidge of the footwork Tyson had.

I will say this, unless this fight takes place PRE-PRISON and got to be around the 9th round I dont think Tyson could hold it together mentally he might quit.

This is gonna sound like a farce but Tyson could absorb 10 fights worth of punishment in the 1st 7 rounds and still stand and fight with all the heart in the world, but around 9-10th round unless he KO's George Mike would pack it in

Tyson Tko by round 6

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Have you been exposed as someone who hasn't any knowledge before 1987.
Poor form. Have you ever seen Frazier fight? No you haven't is the answer.

Absolute nonsense of a post. Tyson can't KO Tucker or Bonecrusher in his prime but somehow manages to stop Foreman in 6! Sort your act out cos it's a joke.

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Agreed with some of that but i disagree with Tyson not being able to ko Bonecrusher we all know Bonecrusher didn't wana fight and held constantly hard to knock out a pretty tough guy like Bonecrusher if he isn't willing to fight remember it takes 2 to fight.

I don't think you'll find your answer in who Tyson didn't KO but rather who couldn't KO George Foreman who was only KO'd once......vs ALI, not because of power but mentally he was destroyed the will to fight was taken out of him.

Foreman whipped everyone else or at least stood his ground.....PRIME Holyfield couldn't stop him, Tommy Morrison couldn't stop him....Morrison hit hard too! Frazier never touched him, Ron Lyle couldn't take him out, Prime Shannon Briggs couldn't stop him either!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't think you'll find your answer in who Tyson didn't KO but rather who couldn't KO George Foreman who was only KO'd once......vs ALI, not because of power but mentally he was destroyed the will to fight was taken out of him.

Foreman whipped everyone else or at least stood his ground.....PRIME Holyfield couldn't stop him, Tommy Morrison couldn't stop him....Morrison hit hard too! Frazier never touched him, Ron Lyle couldn't take him out, Prime Shannon Briggs couldn't stop him either!

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Ron Lyle came the closest. That was a brawl of all-time proportion. Boxing reduced to its most primordial terms. You would have thought those guys would start hitting each other over the head with clubs at some point. If Foreman could withstand that beating and rule the day, I don't see Tyson stopping him. Plus, George had a hell of a jab which is why a short guy like Tyson would not have a chance.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't think you'll find your answer in who Tyson didn't KO but rather who couldn't KO George Foreman who was only KO'd once......vs ALI, not because of power but mentally he was destroyed the will to fight was taken out of him.

Foreman whipped everyone else or at least stood his ground.....PRIME Holyfield couldn't stop him, Tommy Morrison couldn't stop him....Morrison hit hard too! Frazier never touched him, Ron Lyle couldn't take him out, Prime Shannon Briggs couldn't stop him either!

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I agree Lyle people think Tyson is unbeatable ect but Tyson's style is made for Foreman's style and Foreman is by far hardest hitter Tyson ever fought in his prime only guys who beat Foreman were stick and move fighters Morrison only beat Foreman because he run for most of the fight Holyfield beat Foreman because he sticked and moved and threw combos and when Holyfield did stand toe to toe he was hurt like in 7th round and Young beat Foreman because Young was defensive wizard and Foreman was bit past his prime then anyway and Young was great he drawed with Shavers lost sd to Norton should of won Ali fight imo Young was very underrated and Briggs loss ?? well that was robbery plain and simple.