Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
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http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?se...20Welterweight
Above is the who's who list at 140.
Now im not exactly an expert on Judah but something tells me that 147 was never quite right for him.
He only went up cause Tzsyu was still at 140 and still perceived at dangerous.
My questions are could Zab still make 140 and if so, do you think he'd have the ability to reign with any kind of dominance.
I ask this cause at 147 Juda is pretty much regarded as 'the guy you beat to know your can compete'. Everyone just seems too big or too good for Juda these days. He may be wise to admit defeat and drop down a division.
Waddya guys think? :)
Judah tried to get a rematch with Kosta Tszyu, but Kosta didn't want it. Judah then went up to 147 and shortly thereafter, he unified the welterweight division and was linear welterweight champion.
As far as 140.................
Judah would absolutely dominate that division, but the problem with that is that there isn't that many big name opponents at 140 outside of Hatton (Hatton would only fight in England at the time and Judah wasn't going there) so there isn't too much money to be made (that's why Judah moved up in the 1st place)
Firstly because there was no need for a rematch secondly i remember Judah saying if he won there wouldn't be a rematch ??
no need for one? whatever judah got caught, this is boxing people get caught S*** happens, rematch proves that it wasnt a fluke hit, that and the fact that stoppage was bullshit and premature, another jay nady moment in boxing.
What ?? Tszyu was on his way to winning 2nd round he hit Judah once with a right hand then hit him again its not a fluke punch and it wasn't premature stoppage either i remember Judah opening his big mouth saying if he won there wouldn't be a rematch but because Tszyu won he wanted one sounds like a hypocrite to me i can't believe you think its a fluke hit Tszyu timed him end of that wasn't a fluke hit he hit him twice Judah won one round and was on his way to losing 2nd round and thats a fluke hit because Judah had one good round ?? people crack me up sometime.
I love the way people listen to boxers when it stuis them to hold somethign against the... it wasn't a fluke the punch landed it was a good punch, but this is boxing a sport where evrythign can change with one panuch, but more often than not that match changing punch doesn't land... we have seen good fighters get stopped early, and shockinly before and come back and won rematches or gone on to do great things...
And that stoppage was as premature as they come;)
How was that stoppage premature? Zab got up and fell back down. He was all over the place. Besides which after the fight was stopped he tried to punch Nady in the face and then threw a chair at him. If he wasn't completely out of his mind at that moment due to the effects of that punch then he should have received a lifetime ban from boxing.
Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
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http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?se...20Welterweight
Above is the who's who list at 140.
Now im not exactly an expert on Judah but something tells me that 147 was never quite right for him.
He only went up cause Tzsyu was still at 140 and still perceived at dangerous.
My questions are could Zab still make 140 and if so, do you think he'd have the ability to reign with any kind of dominance.
I ask this cause at 147 Juda is pretty much regarded as 'the guy you beat to know your can compete'. Everyone just seems too big or too good for Juda these days. He may be wise to admit defeat and drop down a division.
Waddya guys think? :)
Judah tried to get a rematch with Kosta Tszyu, but Kosta didn't want it. Judah then went up to 147 and shortly thereafter, he unified the welterweight division and was linear welterweight champion.
As far as 140.................
Judah would absolutely dominate that division, but the problem with that is that there isn't that many big name opponents at 140 outside of Hatton (Hatton would only fight in England at the time and Judah wasn't going there) so there isn't too much money to be made (that's why Judah moved up in the 1st place)
Firstly because there was no need for a rematch secondly i remember Judah saying if he won there wouldn't be a rematch ??
no need for one? whatever judah got caught, this is boxing people get caught S*** happens, rematch proves that it wasnt a fluke hit, that and the fact that stoppage was bullshit and premature, another jay nady moment in boxing.
What ?? Tszyu was on his way to winning 2nd round he hit Judah once with a right hand then hit him again its not a fluke punch and it wasn't premature stoppage either i remember Judah opening his big mouth saying if he won there wouldn't be a rematch but because Tszyu won he wanted one sounds like a hypocrite to me i can't believe you think its a fluke hit Tszyu timed him end of that wasn't a fluke hit he hit him twice Judah won one round and was on his way to losing 2nd round and thats a fluke hit because Judah had one good round ?? people crack me up sometime.
I love the way people listen to boxers when it stuis them to hold somethign against the... it wasn't a fluke the punch landed it was a good punch, but this is boxing a sport where evrythign can change with one panuch, but more often than not that match changing punch doesn't land... we have seen good fighters get stopped early, and shockinly before and come back and won rematches or gone on to do great things...
And that stoppage was as premature as they come;)
How was that stoppage premature? Zab got up and fell back down. He was all over the place. Besides which after the fight was stopped he tried to punch Nady in the face and then threw a chair at him. If he wasn't completely out of his mind at that moment due to the effects of that punch then he should have received a lifetime ban from boxing.
I totally agree with Snakey and Bilbo good posting fellas that how i feel about it ccs to both of you.
Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
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Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Right on with that post Bilbo. He just stood around and got beaten. Hell, he even ran over to the corner to take a knee, he's a quitter. Granted, those low blows didn't help anything, but alot of fighters get hit low and don't quit. He's so talented it's a shame that he's the master of the mental meltdown. He doesn't need a new trainer; what good is that going to do during the fight? His dad yells at him and Zab has that deer in the headlight look and you can tell he's off in la la land. What he needs is a psychiatrist working the corner during the fight, with some prozac in his water bottle.
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Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Right on with that post Bilbo. He just stood around and got beaten. Hell, he even ran over to the corner to take a knee, he's a quitter. Granted, those low blows didn't help anything, but alot of fighters get hit low and don't quit. He's so talented it's a shame that he's the master of the mental meltdown. He doesn't need a new trainer; what good is that going to do during the fight? His dad yells at him and Zab has that deer in the headlight look and you can tell he's off in la la land. What he needs is a psychiatrist working the corner during the fight, with some prozac in his water bottle.
I think when it comes down to it Zab is just a bully. He can talk a good fight and will mouth off like he's the greatest ever but when he's stood up to he's got no heart.
He'll never be great again but the best boxers know exactly what they need to do to unravel him.
His mouth and ego just make him look ridiculous.
I remember in the runup to the Cotto fight he's telling Cotto, 'You've never fought anyone as strong as me, you've never fought anyone as fast as me and you've never fought anyone as pretty as me'.
I find the latter part funny because I've always fought of Judah as one of the more ugly and irritating looking guys in boxing.
He's delusional.
Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?se...20Welterweight
Above is the who's who list at 140.
Now im not exactly an expert on Judah but something tells me that 147 was never quite right for him.
He only went up cause Tzsyu was still at 140 and still perceived at dangerous.
My questions are could Zab still make 140 and if so, do you think he'd have the ability to reign with any kind of dominance.
I ask this cause at 147 Juda is pretty much regarded as 'the guy you beat to know your can compete'. Everyone just seems too big or too good for Juda these days. He may be wise to admit defeat and drop down a division.
Waddya guys think? :)
Judah tried to get a rematch with Kosta Tszyu, but Kosta didn't want it. Judah then went up to 147 and shortly thereafter, he unified the welterweight division and was linear welterweight champion.
As far as 140.................
Judah would absolutely dominate that division, but the problem with that is that there isn't that many big name opponents at 140 outside of Hatton (Hatton would only fight in England at the time and Judah wasn't going there) so there isn't too much money to be made (that's why Judah moved up in the 1st place)
Firstly because there was no need for a rematch secondly i remember Judah saying if he won there wouldn't be a rematch ??
no need for one? whatever judah got caught, this is boxing people get caught S*** happens, rematch proves that it wasnt a fluke hit, that and the fact that stoppage was bullshit and premature, another jay nady moment in boxing.
Holy Frioles!! Jay Nady saved Judah's life for F***'s sake, premature stoppage? Fluke?
What am i reading here, If Judah had of gone into round three he would have been severely hurt.
As for how would he do now? Hatton would beat him up just like Cotto did.
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Regardless of mentality and questionable heart, i still think he could conquer 140.
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So generally, you guys think a move to would be nothing but benificial?
I know the money isnt quite there @ 140 (apart from Hatton) but hey, at least he'll still have a career ;)
Can he make 140 though? I know he's rearly on the 147 limit at weigh-ins so im assuming he can.
He should do this.
Re: Judah at 140... How would he do now?
Is there anyone to fight at 140? I suppose Witter-Zab could be a great seller. Promoters would be all over that.
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Surely there's much better paydays/fights for him in Welter div. He has a couple of gimmes, looks impressive, and people will want to see him in with the best. Plus the best wont mind fighting him cos he's a very beatable mental midget.
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there are some great fights for judah at 140 but i'm just not sure if he can make the weight class
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I don't think making 140 would be as easy to make for Zab as we think,I mean the guy is short and beefy. Also,there are no big $$ fights there. Whoever said the KT KO was a fluke needs to watch more boxing. How the fuck can that be a fluke? Secondly,do research,Zab said,if he wins,there would be NO rematch. KT said the same back. End of.
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Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Man,Bil,you are owning this thread. I could CC you for 3 points here but this point is the best. When I first watched the fight,I thought WOW,Judah is actually showing fighting spirit but upon repeated viewing and reading your opinion about it(I remember you saying it right after the fight),I knew ou were right,he was not fighting back,and was nothing more than a punching bag.
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I don't think making 140 would be as easy to make for Zab as we think,I mean the guy is short and beefy. Also,there are no big $$ fights there. Whoever said the KT KO was a fluke needs to watch more boxing. How the F*** can that be a fluke? Secondly,do research,Zab said,if he wins,there would be NO rematch. KT said the same back. End of.
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Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Man,Bil,you are owning this thread. I could CC you for 3 points here but this point is the best. When I first watched the fight,I thought WOW,Judah is actually showing fighting spirit but upon repeated viewing and reading your opinion about it(I remember you saying it right after the fight),I knew ou were right,he was not fighting back,and was nothing more than a punching bag.
i didn't mean it as a fluke hit in the sense he was completely lucky to get that hit off and put him down... i just feel punches like that happen in boxing and don't in rematches.. take the penalosa v gonazlez fight... johnny wins pretty much every round but gets stopped out of nowhere, i'd be my house on that not happening again if they had a rematch... sometime shit happens, much like a punch breaking a guys nose and causing him to lose, or a good hit on the chin putting u down at any point... some shock hits put u down and you shake it off, others cause u a match... if tszyu had won 6 of the 7 rounds then done that, then yeah no point... but at that point everyone knew how good judah was, he done will in the first round, the second very close then that punch came...
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I don't think making 140 would be as easy to make for Zab as we think,I mean the guy is short and beefy. Also,there are no big $$ fights there. Whoever said the KT KO was a fluke needs to watch more boxing. How the F*** can that be a fluke? Secondly,do research,Zab said,if he wins,there would be NO rematch. KT said the same back. End of.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Man,Bil,you are owning this thread. I could CC you for 3 points here but this point is the best. When I first watched the fight,I thought WOW,Judah is actually showing fighting spirit but upon repeated viewing and reading your opinion about it(I remember you saying it right after the fight),I knew ou were right,he was not fighting back,and was nothing more than a punching bag.
i didn't mean it as a fluke hit in the sense he was completely lucky to get that hit off and put him down... i just feel punches like that happen in boxing and don't in rematches.. take the penalosa v gonazlez fight... johnny wins pretty much every round but gets stopped out of nowhere, i'd be my house on that not happening again if they had a rematch... sometime shit happens, much like a punch breaking a guys nose and causing him to lose, or a good hit on the chin putting u down at any point... some shock hits put u down and you shake it off, others cause u a match... if tszyu had won 6 of the 7 rounds then done that, then yeah no point... but at that point everyone knew how good judah was, he done will in the first round, the second very close then that punch came...
Aaaah.right,I see. That's a better explanation,CC in 24 and mind my sharp wording. I understand what you are saying but on the other hand,you have to remember,that was the first clean punch Tszyu landed and look at the destruction it caused. So,hypothetically speaking,if there was to be a rematch,how many shots would it take take for Tszyu to flatten him again? Not many for sure,especially if 1 could do that much damage!
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Originally Posted by Preme
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I don't think making 140 would be as easy to make for Zab as we think,I mean the guy is short and beefy. Also,there are no big $$ fights there. Whoever said the KT KO was a fluke needs to watch more boxing. How the F*** can that be a fluke? Secondly,do research,Zab said,if he wins,there would be NO rematch. KT said the same back. End of.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Man,Bil,you are owning this thread. I could CC you for 3 points here but this point is the best. When I first watched the fight,I thought WOW,Judah is actually showing fighting spirit but upon repeated viewing and reading your opinion about it(I remember you saying it right after the fight),I knew ou were right,he was not fighting back,and was nothing more than a punching bag.
i didn't mean it as a fluke hit in the sense he was completely lucky to get that hit off and put him down... i just feel punches like that happen in boxing and don't in rematches.. take the penalosa v gonazlez fight... johnny wins pretty much every round but gets stopped out of nowhere, i'd be my house on that not happening again if they had a rematch... sometime S*** happens, much like a punch breaking a guys nose and causing him to lose, or a good hit on the chin putting u down at any point... some shock hits put u down and you shake it off, others cause u a match... if tszyu had won 6 of the 7 rounds then done that, then yeah no point... but at that point everyone knew how good judah was, he done will in the first round, the second very close then that punch came...
Aaaah.right,I see. That's a better explanation,CC in 24 and mind my sharp wording. I understand what you are saying but on the other hand,you have to remember,that was the first clean punch Tszyu landed and look at the destruction it caused. So,hypothetically speaking,if there was to be a rematch,how many shots would it take take for Tszyu to flatten him again? Not many for sure,especially if 1 could do that much damage!
i mean yes and no really, it could just of been one of those things in boxing... people made put judah had a completely shit chin after that... yet look at what he took from cotto and how long it took to finish him off, and that was alot down to fatigue and battle tiredness than just one big hit from cotto...
you seen the maccarinelli fights with hobson right? the first one enzo hit him clean a load of times yet that was a razor thin win, the second fight he didn't even really catch him full on but hobson just got hit in one of those places that shakes your brain up a but and your legs refuse to work for you...
i don't think judah was out or even concust, just he took a hit went sraight back his head got shook and his equilibrium just went and that's what caused the stupid dance... he wanst shaking about when he got back up, it wasn't as if he was staggering about all over the shop coz he was out on his feet, he took a knock got up to soon, equilibrium was a bit gone and the blood got to his head to soon and he done a quick shuffel...
you could be right that it would happen again, or that punch may not of landed...
there was an article i read in the ring mag a few months ago that got me thinking about this fight to be honest, and it was in there they were explaining why the stoppage was premature and what a shame it was those 2 never fought again...
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I don't think making 140 would be as easy to make for Zab as we think,I mean the guy is short and beefy. Also,there are no big $$ fights there. Whoever said the KT KO was a fluke needs to watch more boxing. How the F*** can that be a fluke? Secondly,do research,Zab said,if he wins,there would be NO rematch. KT said the same back. End of.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Judah is one hell of a fighter, fast, good power, all that. UNLESS, and its a big 'unless' :) you hit him back and make him fight. I don't think he has the heart to be a fighter. He can beat up overmatched guys all day, but he hasn't got it in him to fight.
I thought he showed real fighting spirit against Cotto
I disagree, all he did was took a beating as best he could by virtually refusing to fight back. Giving his own awesome speed and offensive arsenal showing fighting spirit would have been demonstrated with him fighting back and throwing punches. All he did was the same as he did in the latter rounds against Mayweather and that was look to survive.
When the going gets tough Zab can't cope. He's got no stones.
Man,Bil,you are owning this thread. I could CC you for 3 points here but this point is the best. When I first watched the fight,I thought WOW,Judah is actually showing fighting spirit but upon repeated viewing and reading your opinion about it(I remember you saying it right after the fight),I knew ou were right,he was not fighting back,and was nothing more than a punching bag.
i didn't mean it as a fluke hit in the sense he was completely lucky to get that hit off and put him down... i just feel punches like that happen in boxing and don't in rematches.. take the penalosa v gonazlez fight... johnny wins pretty much every round but gets stopped out of nowhere, i'd be my house on that not happening again if they had a rematch... sometime S*** happens, much like a punch breaking a guys nose and causing him to lose, or a good hit on the chin putting u down at any point... some shock hits put u down and you shake it off, others cause u a match... if tszyu had won 6 of the 7 rounds then done that, then yeah no point... but at that point everyone knew how good judah was, he done will in the first round, the second very close then that punch came...
Aaaah.right,I see. That's a better explanation,CC in 24 and mind my sharp wording. I understand what you are saying but on the other hand,you have to remember,that was the first clean punch Tszyu landed and look at the destruction it caused. So,hypothetically speaking,if there was to be a rematch,how many shots would it take take for Tszyu to flatten him again? Not many for sure,especially if 1 could do that much damage!
i mean yes and no really, it could just of been one of those things in boxing... people made put judah had a completely S*** chin after that... yet look at what he took from cotto and how long it took to finish him off, and that was alot down to fatigue and battle tiredness than just one big hit from cotto...
you seen the maccarinelli fights with hobson right? the first one enzo hit him clean a load of times yet that was a razor thin win, the second fight he didn't even really catch him full on but hobson just got hit in one of those places that shakes your brain up a but and your legs refuse to work for you...
i don't think judah was out or even concust, just he took a hit went sraight back his head got shook and his equilibrium just went and that's what caused the stupid dance... he wanst shaking about when he got back up, it wasn't as if he was staggering about all over the shop coz he was out on his feet, he took a knock got up to soon, equilibrium was a bit gone and the blood got to his head to soon and he done a quick shuffel...
you could be right that it would happen again, or that punch may not of landed...
there was an article i read in the ring mag a few months ago that got me thinking about this fight to be honest, and it was in there they were explaining why the stoppage was premature and what a shame it was those 2 never fought again...
Whoever wrote that article needs to retire from writing about boxing, Judah won the first round but apart from one uppercut and a clumsy attack across the ring what did he really do in that first round? Tszyu then stalked his prey in round two and if you watch that fight again you will see it was inevitable that Tszyu was going to catch him with something big.
