How Great was The Marvellous Marvin Hagler..

An open reply to DaxxKahn,

My understanding is probably as broad as your own having boxed myself and loved the sport since eight years old, I also competed at national level as a Judoka (judo player) and went on to teach the sport,I know about growth and changing weight divisions from experience, and further to that I work and have worked in the fitness industry in a training capacity for 22 years now...

That dont mean I know everything far from it ... but rather than question me, I feel you need look closer to home if your saying Haggler was robbed...never in a million years was he robbed, I will grant you however that the fight was close enough to argue..

Indeed just recently boxing news re opened that very case with the winner still coming out as Leonard...none of the so called experts there as I re call even hinted at robbery...mugged by Leonard yes quite possibly so, but robbed, no way....sorry but thats how I see it. :badass:

Scrap,
Your a gent, thanx for the support and for taking note of what Im writing purely as a curious fan and not as a Hagler Hater ...anything but, just asking questions of the man , but they dont seem too popular...but hey thats life Hagler was a fine champion who used what he had to the best of his ability...

And here goes again to all, I am still to be convinced by the Haggler argument, but as I say, Haggler was a fine champion, this I do not dispute at all :badass:

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

An open reply to DaxxKahn,

My understanding is probably as broad as your own having boxed myself and loved the sport since eight years old, I also competed at national level as a Judoka (judo player) and went on to teach the sport,I know about growth and changing weight divisions from experience, and further to that I work and have worked in the fitness industry in a training capacity for 22 years now...

That dont mean I know everything far from it ... but rather than question me, I feel you need look closer to home if your saying Haggler was robbed...never in a million years was he robbed, I will grant you however that the fight was close enough to argue..

Indeed just recently boxing news re opened that very case with the winner still coming out as Leonard...none of the so called experts there as I re call even hinted at robbery...mugged by Leonard yes quite possibly so, but robbed, no way....sorry but thats how I see it. :badass:

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Take no offense in what I said mate...was not to be as though you were an idiot.....And believe it or not there are top paid trainers out there who fail to compensate for such things like size or weight ect...or they would not allow their fighters to go in fights dehydrated and such just for a win and have it turn out the opposite way...was just making a statement is all......

And HAGLER WAS ROBBED NOT MUGGED NOT PURSE SNATCHED ROBBED.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Daxx i have to disagree with you i do not think hagler was robbed i thought Leonard beat him fair in square

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I guess it all has to do with who you were a bigger follower of I guess....IMO they did Hagler wrong....

Guess it is kind of like depending on who you ask won the DLH/Trinidad fight.....

Trinidad followers will say Tito won soundly others say DLH was done an injustice

This entire thread is ridiculous.

well i give you that daxx cc for standing by your guy and staying strong to what you think happen

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Originally Posted by Mr140

well i give you that daxx cc for standing by your guy and staying strong to what you think happen

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CC back mate not going to change my opinion that I have had for years I have seen the fight 100 times....Like I said everyone is entitled to their opinion...not saying mine is right or wrong just mine

As a rule I’m not big on watching southpaws , I find that the southpaw stance makes for un easy watch .. Whitaker and Hagler were an exception to that rule . Haglar came to fight, had the mindset to do battle at all cost,, he delivered. A terrific fighter.

DaxxKahn, Fair play to you bud I too admire you for standing by your guy, and also give you big respect with regard to your opinion, thats one of the things that makes this sport great...

And thats why I asked the question of how great was Hagler...I thought it might provoke a few opinions...like yourself though re Leonard v Hagler, I too stand by my own opinion re robbery...and have also seen it too many times to count...

Seriously tho bud your input is much appreciated, and it would be a sad day if we could not respect each others views, I am and will always remain open minded where people voice opinions, more so when its me asking the question...

Your opinions, like my own, are neither right or wrong,good or bad there your views on a fighter...views which I myself genuinely give you thanks and full respect for... :beerchug:

I would cc you myself for fighting your corner, that I admire, but I ain't got my 100 in as yet :badass:

In reply to the original question, Hagler is an all time great, no doubt. Top 4 middle's of all time (with, Robinson,Monzon and Hopkins, not sure which order since I haven't seen enough of Monzon). Daxx and X has already given the best arguments so there's not much more to add.

All I'll say is that you can criticise the record of pretty much any great fighter in history if you look closely enough. Hagler is one of the toughest Bastards to ever enter the ring, he'd take you to the trenches and was never close to beaten up in the ring during a long career, much longer than it should have been due to being dodged and overlooked for so long. Avenged his first two defeats emphatically, and lost his last fight to another all time great who had no interest in engaging him in a fight who's result is debated to this day.

Bambam i am going to cc you just for being a national level Juodka. cc ;D Come on over to the MMA forum and discuss uchi-matas and drop seionage's

Munky,Cheers bud,
Funny you should mention the old uchi mata, as one of my main techniques was Harai Goshi which sweeps on the outside instead down the middle, usedit with a makikomi technique to good effect, crashing it to ground with a kesa gatame just to be safe lol but thanx for that... :badass:

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Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

Munky,Cheers bud,
Funny you should mention the old uchi mata, as one of my main techniques was Harai Goshi which sweeps on the outside instead down the middle, usedit with a makikomi technique to good effect, crashing it to ground with a kesa gatame just to be safe lol but thanx for that... :badass:

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Mate, harai Goshi is a fantastic throw. I'm a sweep man myself. I get some odd looks when i am walking to the drinks machine at work and suddenly pull out a Kouichi Gari or a kosoto gari on an invisible opponent. Also opening doors with a sweeping technique. :o

My son (who's 5) has a pretty mean Tai-otoshi on him already

Anyway...this is a boxing forum. I'll get flamed if i turn it into a discussion on the favoured throws of kodokan judo. Props to you for competing at a decent level. (i take it you are BJA?)