Margarito resurfaces!!!!

I still think it heaps funny...not the fact he got beat by williams but the fact that before that fight margarito could supposedly beat pbf lol never would happen...EVER ;)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I agreed with that post more Amat but I do not see how,in any way shape or form,that PW was busting Margarito up??? He may have thrown over 1,000 more punches or whatever,but who had the biggest round? Margarito round 11.Even when P won the first 4 or 5,Margarito was blocking most of those shots. No way dude. Like I said,his punches were at most stinging,not hard and hurtful and he was just laying them out there,racking up the numbers. In no way did I see Margarito getting busted up and I didn't see anyone else mention it either. PW won mainly on the numbers game.

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Well Gamo, at least you have Cotto to root for ;) ;D

Anyway, from a gutted fans standpoint I can see your points Gamo, but from a logical business sense it dosent make any sense at the moment.. Margarito had little marketibility before this fight unless you were a hardcore boxing fan.. Now he has 0 after this loss and losing all the hyped boogey man persona that was fed and portrayed to the fans. Now if he beats Cintron than I can see him back in the mix, since Citron is red hot and the flavor of the day along with Mayweather, Mosely, Cotto... Just sit back and relax, if Margo handles his business then he will get another shot ;)

williams won the fight no doubt. that doesn't mean margarito doesn't deserve a rematch. if he gets a few good wins then i don't see why not.

Paul Williams clearly won the fight and I gave him only 3 rounds he didn't win, maybe. Bitch slapping or not, you get hit with 2000 of them and I would imagine even a bitch slap starts to hurt, maybe mentally as much as physically. I would see a rematch going a little different, as Tony knows he couldn't start slow, or it would be the 1st fight all over again. He would come out alot faster and try to maul Williams. Whether or not it would work and if he could keep that pace all fight is up in the air.

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Originally Posted by LeftHookToTheBody

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Well,I had it 115-113 Williams but Margarito gave away the first 5 rounds. At least 4 press row scorers had the fight for Margarito. Williams camp does not want a rematch with Tony,not at the moment anyway and they don't want to fight Kermit as I've posted on many occasions so I guess PW just wants to stay out of the loop.

As to your second point,Margarito is known for being a slow started but this time,he was too slow and on top of that,he changed his game plan so rather than throw as many punches as PW did(which Margarito is fuly capable of),his team decided it would be better for him to pick and choose his sopts,counter and he did that well but only in the second half of the fight.

I'd certainly choose Margarito to win the rematch based on his showing when he did step it up and the fact that his punches were far harder throughout the fight,punctuated by the 11 the round. That by FAR and away the biggest round either fighter had.

If he starts earlier and applies more pressure,combined with his somewhat surprisingly good defence in the fight,he can win. His defence was very very good in the first half of the fight,he blocked ALOT of punhces,I mean PW's connect % was pretty low considering he was fighting a stationary target.

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On your first paragraph: I thought Williams won the first 6 rounds fairly handedly. I think some gave Tony the 5th, but to me that was just a result of the crowd starting to get into it because that was the first round Tony landed anything of substance, but Williams still out worked him and controlled that round. As I said, Williams' camp doesn't want a rematch because there is little to gain at this point. It is not a big money fight right now, and beating him a second time is not going to help him much as far as getting a bigger fight. Why his camp won't fight Cintron at this point, I'm not sure. There is a lot to gain. The winner would be a unified champ, thus making them more attractive to the bigger names. It may be because the risk/reward does not balance out right now from a money perspective. It probably is not a big money fight yet, and so the payoff is not is probably not worth the risk (in their view) at this point. Honestly, I think Cintron is the one guy in the division with the best shot to beat Williams. He a big guy and throws hard, straight punches. He's really the only guy I could see knocking out Williams. To me, that is the only way to get Williams at 147. I can't see him losing a decision to anyone with his work rate and stamina. He took Margarito's best shots in the 11th and never buckled or stopped throwing punches, so I really don't think Tony can knock him out. It would take a cuts stoppage or something along those lines, IMHO.

Second paragraph: Tony ALWAYS starts slow. I don't seee how he will avoid that in a second bout. To me, what started to turn the tide a bit in the second half was not a better strategy from Margarito, but rather Williams started to get a little bit tired (he has remarkable stamina, but with that kind of work rate some level of fatigue is unavoidable). That gave Tony a few extra openings. I think as long as Williams is fresh Margarito will have trouble getting offeffective shots.

Third paragraph: I disagree his shots were far harder. The crowd going crazy put aside, Williams was not close to being stopped in that 11th as his legs never really buckled and he never stopped throwing punches. The were solid, stinging shots, but he throws them too wide to get maximum power. You could see Margarito was gassed from the effort in the 11th and Williams took the final round easily. I also don't buy that Williams' punches didn't bother Margarito a great deal. Like I said, if that were the case Margarito would have just walked threw the blows and taken him out.

Fourth paragraph: I don't give Margarito much credit for defense for this reason: Williams' offense isn't designed to land a high percentage of blows. Even against lesser foes he normally only lands around 30% of his shots. The point of his offense is to dictate the pace of the fight and to wear down the opponents via both the accumulation of the blows and the effort needed to fend off the blows. This is the reason I say Williams won fairly handedly. He had the higher work rate, dictated the action of the fight (remember, Margarito is normally a high volume puncher himself...he only got off 571 shots in the fight), landed more punches, landed more power shots, won in terms of ring generalship fairly clearly. Tony landed only a slightly better percentage than Williams (they were both under 30%). He may have landed the harder blows, but there simply weren't enough of them landed except in that 11th round. Anyway, just my view. That isn't to say a rematch might not be in order down the line, but in order to make it worth Williams' while Margarito needs to get at least one impressive win under his belt (a win over Cintron might do the trick, especially since it would give Williams the chance to unify belts).

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EL GAMO & Left Hook to the body: both of you make good points. I honestly saw Williams winning 7-5 maybe 8-4. I saw Williams winning early due to his active throwing throughout rounds. I think that Margarito Would win the 2nd fight. I think he'd come alot more prepared and more active for 12 rounds vice 5. He is a fighter that doesn't receive much recognition for what he has done and accomplished, but this fight will probably not happen because I agree with what Left Hook said "money issue." The only way I think this would happen is if they make it a PPV, but we all know and they all know it will be disapointment in sells.

GAMO: I'm going to give you my opinion on what Margarito should do. It may sound crazy but this is his best shot to finally prove his point to everyone that he is alot better than what they think. He shouldn't fight Cintron. I think Cintron is deadly if he lands his straight punches and I believe Emanuel Steward is making a hell of a fighter out of him. He doesn't need a rematch with Williams, not now at least. He needs to fight Oscar De La Hoya, or Mayweather. I think he has a good shot in those fights. I honestly think PBF has been avoiding him for quite sometime. We all know PBF will not throw 100 punches per round as did Williams and will allow Margarito to fight the same way Oscar did and be a really close fight. Margarito is way underrated and I think he could beat Williams anytime, the fact is Williams surprised him that night with hisstamina for 12 rounds and style of consistency for many rounds. Margarito was thinking of a KO vice being active early and trying to get some rounds.

Who ever said, Margarito needs to wait in line: no, Margarito does not need to wait in line. He was a champion who lost a decisive fight. Chavez Lost to Randell decisively and had a mandatory rematch. I don't think Williams will give him the rematch.