And most importanly always keep your chin tucked in and good luck.
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And most importanly always keep your chin tucked in and good luck.
Get the right reasons behind what you're doing then keep repeating it until until it comes so natural to you that you don't need to think about how to do it. Even when you're not in the gym training you can reinforce what you already know by visualizing all the pieces that make up a particular movement. This will help you for the moment where you need to do it right off the bat. For example you said your left-hook needs some work to get right while you're in the ring, break it down by learning the different parts that make up the movement, then slowly start putting it together so that it starts to feel right. Don't worry about the power and speed that'll come later. Now you can isolate that punch and throw it over and over so that you'll be able to throw it with consistency everytime. Next comes the brains behind the move, start working on getting yourself in position to be able to land the left hook as if you up fighting a real opponent. Find the angles, what are the conditions that have to take place for you. For instance are you going to throw this as a counter to your opponent's punch? Just keep it basic right now before you jump into deeper thoughts.
By the way, we have a free ebook topic that you can check out if you would like to find out the different responses for the each punch. There's a good book there written by a boxing coach named Edwin L. Haislett that goes over the most of the techniques that's out there. It's a good reference in my oppinion. :)
Keep your chin in, just not tucked in. ;) If it's too close to your breastbone you're going to have some problems. This was from Scrap's advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Thats what i ment but thanks for correcting me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
And Chris what do you prefer when fighting inside with the guard held high or cross defence where your guarding your chin and body at the same time ??
I don't know my opinion would matter. I can't really say either of them, especially not something that I don't use at all. For one thing I'd like to know what I'm getting into to. For the sake of simplicity let's say for that you are basketball player. On the court you gotta know where all the defenders are, where the openings are, and working with your team mates you're trying to get into a position to score, hopefully you want to get into the coveted "triple threat position" in which you have different options at your disposal. Now in boxing it's kind of the same, you have to be aware of the potential threats, where the openings are, and experience tells you how to get there and what you have to do. As for a triple threat position in boxing you want to be a good position to attack your opponent's openings, out of harms way with an exit plan if need be. It all depends on the situation, and my opponent. There has to be a reason why I am doing something. I'm not walk into enemy fire with my hands on my cheeks, they shouldn't be there unless I intend to block something. There's better things that they doing on the inside. :)
When I got up this morning I started thinking about when I might need to use the covering-up guard. When you are nose to nose with your opponent things become very different. You could say it's like the traffic and fast pace that you'd experience when entering a busy expressway. You have to be so much more aware when close to your opponent. You'd have to relearn a lot of things all over again. In honesty right now I don't have the experience to be brave enough to stay on the inside. It'd be easier for me to just take advantage of the opportunities that come right off the slip, fighting right off the outside of their lead arm, and occasionally going on the inside right off the counter. Now unless you have the experience on how to deal with your opponent's arms, how to feint and draw punches on the inside, the natural counters and so forth you should not get in close to your opponent.
Getting back to when I'd use bring my hands up high let's say that in my lack of experience I'm expecting that my opponent is going to throw a left hook, instead he throws a left uppercut that I have no time to react against it. It nails me, and I'm staggered a little and he's not letting me clinch, instead I have to break ground fast bringing my guard up for a several seconds to block. I know that just taking a step back isn't going to keep me safe, I have to get back to controlling the outside circle so that I can clear my head recompose myself. I'd be stupid to try a rope-a-dope and try to weather the storm, and I wouldn't be any better off doing what Jeff Lacy did against Joe Calzaghe. My survival mode would be to get out of range and to get back onto the big circle that goes around the ring. For an example of this watch Delahoya vs. Vargas, Delahoya get's hurt but he goes into the circle clearing his head and scoring with his jabs at the same time. I think it was Archie Moore that said that controlling the circle meant controlling the fight.
Another thing that every boxer needs to do is for the most part keep their elbows in close to their sides. You can't do this when your hands are up past your chin. This allows your body to respond much quicker, and on the inside this allows your arms to guard against body blows. If they're too far forward then you end up leaving your liver open for a counter. As I said before most guys will throw their punches like they're trying to close a door, they also may overcommit to their punches exposing their liver and kidneys. Knowing this I think that a boxer should first make a strong habit of keeping the elbows in close. Under most circumstances you should not square up as this would make your guard easier to manipulate and give your opponent an easy way to knock the wind out of you. With the elbows where they are supposed to be one should practice rolling inside of their opponent's wide hooks taking the blows on the their shoulders and arms. When rolling inside your opponent's wide swings/hooks make sure you don't turn your body too much as to expose your vulnerable spots.
You will have to tell me what you think the cross arm defense is. Just a little word of advice, when you're talking to a fighter if you bring up most of the names that fan's have created to name the different guards/stances, most of them won't know what you're talking about. My point is if you have a question about something in particular, just spend a little time describing it so that whoever you're asking the question to will know what you're talking about.
Anyways right now I just started thinking about Gene Tunney. You see he was once almost an exclusive outside fighter, as he got more experienced and his understanding for fighting improved he became a very well rounded boxer who could fight well on both on the outside, as well as close to his opponent. He would master a lot of the smart counters to his opponents weak spots, and this also added to his effectiveness as a fighter. I think that by sparring as much as you can from fighters that you can learn volumes from it. The first step is that you have to desensitize yourself to fighting, don't look at it as two guys trying to do each other in, but instead see how both fighters work off of each other. Look at it as a challenge in which you are always looking for new things and fine tuning what you've learned. Try to see how your opponent tips off their punches, what their usual responses are and you'll discover a lot of your own tendencies and mistakes as well. It can become fun as you get better and more confident in your abilities. Excellent sparring is perhaps the best parts in your skill development, on top of that these skills will help you make the most out of the rest of your training, and the observation skills will allow you to learn volumes by watching tapes fights on TV, or where ever you may be.
There is inside fighting as in distance (IN fighting) and inside fighting as in being inside both his arms (which is both). As in ..inside their guard and outside their guard inside their elbows or outside their elbows .That deservesd alot of thought and alot of understanding of your limitations and dangers.
Some styles /fighters talk /think in one or the other.
In regards head movment ,your head follows your knee pattern and your feet.
To just stand wide and move your head isnt the deal your looking for when that is mentioned.
IF that occurs you will be timed and flogged and you'll be caught in a low position comming up or in a side postion comming back across with your head.
Luckily most fighters get excited and throw straight shots at a head thats moving sideways so there is usually an out but its your feet and knees that will get you out of there;unless your in there actually hunting down his openings thats another game.
Thinking in reverse if they are low and moving their head side to side, give yourself the correct distance and follow the path of the head when it moves like that and you cant miss cause it's comming back right through the same arch it first took.
This tells you that to use head movment right on the inside is dangerous stuff cause you can get knocked cold when your head moves into a punch comming the reverse way;
So use it by all means but know 'why your useing it' and where your heading to (saftey first).know whats safe ,know whats not.
Then you dont have to over think in the situation cause you have already done that and you know it when your there. So think about it in depth first and then play around with someone and push and test their natuaral reactions in close.
Moving on the inside in both situations ,To do it for advantage you have to also be moving your feet so you bodily move away from the opponents greatest threat to you (which arm is that, in different situations?) or move at least your knees as well so you go under his shots with your head ,go to the outside of his elbow and you are safe for that one move.
For advandced stuff you can go under and out and pull your other foot around behind you as you go and throw over or under the outside his arm depending on his reaction ;that gets you out of the centre infight to the position of still being at full inside range but you have two hands against his one until he moves his centre line back towards you.
You can get away with that easily if you feel his shot comming across and you use the knees and feet to go out and under the shot.
Remember you have two arms and he only has two arms within this set of rules, so use it.
What im saying here is dont get over excited on the inside and imagine threats that arnt there. When you think about it you can land both your wrists down into a mans elbow points and wait for his reation and then move to his reaction and use the openings;thats game and rare to see considering styles but it works cause two meet two and then its their move to react.so you bought a second.
cause he cant hit you until he moves if he doesnt move from it your free to land those uppercuts or short hooks on the inside of his arms.
Inside fighting isnt really for the begginer straight out,but if you think out all the possibilities and know the dangers of some points and the saftey of others you can then play with their balance off their elbows or in clinches and go around the reaction you know you will get as you move into your saftey area and his danger point is when your feet are backing your move (body)and your punch is coming from the blind spot he created on his initial reaction.
A push one way when in a clinch will usually make the opponent shove against it and you knowing this in depth by praticing will help you to move him the way exact way he is then heading anyway! so its easier to move him around.
You have to know already which way he is going to force against your arm push or your weight lean or shove and you use your feet and move to swing him into the same way he will head anyay.Or you go around his arm when it pushes against your glove and you land straight up or into the opening (you knew was comming) cause you created it.
Its up to you to know where to land bodily too; so your safe and he isnt. Thats a thinking fighter one who has ticked all those boxes in and out of the ring.
I spent a long time to make a good response but somehow it disappeared. I'll repost it tommorw sometime. >:mad
Well guys considering i don't read alot your certainly making me read alot with them long posts and improving my reading and boxing knowledge at the same time :)
keep it up fellas ccs.
Chris when you 'time out' from writing a long reply or when another has replied first and you get that warning.save it all into your mouse on copy before hitting the button again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris N.
This was different. Somehow I went back to the previous webpage and when I clicked forward my message disappeared. ??? I didn't click 'back' so I'm not sure what happened. My mouse goes haywire sometimes and maybe it got a mind of its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I'm going to go to bed now so so that I won't have trouble getting up early tomorrow. Anyways on the brightside it'll give me some extra time to recompose my thoughts so I can give a better explanation for the next go around. :)
By the way I got the book 'Ultimate Slipping' a couple days ago. I'll share what I find out sometime tomorrow.
Chris your overcomplicating everything
Inside is grunge work
Pick your point and hit from it
Anything past that,youll over think and get freaking killed out there
Most are in there going for strength and tenacity to beat their way through it, but some are in there enjoying themselves with glances,moving in on punches early,even moving into a spent punch to spoil their position, blocking with elbows which hurt the other guys wrist then going straight up from there, sometimes realizing that one side isnt hurting them and is no threat anymore, so they move in and choke off the threating side and then punish them up the centre etc . It can be fun if your evenly matched or better.look at Morrales and Barreras old fights they had a ball in there.