I cant believe im missin this fight.
I cant believe im missin this fight.
CC wacko for that good posting! I just feel that Taylor needs to back up the fact that he did something that most people at that time and still now cant do... and that was beating Bearnard Hopkins. He must of thought of something masterful to be able to thjnk of something that beat him. Beating n all time great whos still the best in his devision isnt a bad accomplishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
So i know for a fact that JT knows that Kelly is the best challenge out there for him at 160. This fight can lead on to a lot more, like JC or MK at 168. But if he doesnt win this one hes back to nothing and up for a lot of critism from his last few outings. He just seemed that the lack of good fighters had got to him and he hasnt been able to prove that he is the best at 160. But i just feel a man like Kelly although he is an outstanding fighter is going to show the best of Jermain. If he keeps his distance and trys to not get caught up with the best of kellys punches i think he can get the best of the exchanges and rack up the points.
JT can bang himself and i do believe he is a lot better boxing minded that Edison Miranda, and although kelly took his best and miranda i think could probably punch harder that JT, i just feel the greater experience with getting in with people like Bearnard hopkins and Winky Wright i can see him hurting kelly himself by opening up the gaps and laying the best punches in. I have a feeling its a lot easier to hit kelly pavlik that bearnard and winky. This could be a good factor for JT in the fight.
A truly fine piece of boxing writing, Wacko....espn.com should run that as an op-ed against Kellerman's Taylor ball-washing article.
I agree with pretty much your whole article, but I'm going to add one thing. I can't recall Taylor EVER fighting a decent opponent who is as physically large as Pavlik. This could work in either direction. I could motivate Taylor to bring out his finest boxing skills out of fear of Pavliks size and power, or it can spell doom for him if he gets into a brawl. He is so used to fighting smaller men that might not know what to do when he is outgunned. When Pavlik walks through his shots like Ouma did, Pavlik will have the reach to counter him with a flurry and the pop to make it matter, unlike Ouma or Spinks.
I don't see Taylor winning a close, robbery type fight. If Taylor wins, it's because he fights the way he used to fight, with the right gameplan. If he does that, I think the outcome will be clear. If he doesn't have the in him anymore, Pavlik will stop him.
Hopkins...Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
I personally feel that Taylor has been a bit overscrutinized. The performance versus Spinks was deplorable but Spinks ran away. And I usually like Spinks but Spinks came to eak out a possible decision and make Taylor look bad. That's the way I look at it anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
His second win over Hopkins was legit and the first was razor thin and half the people on the internet only scored it for Hopkins in hindsight. It was not a robbery by any stretch of the imagination. And NOBODY is going to look good against Hopkins as long as he is in the ring.
Spinks was still a natural Welterweight and had still never fought at Middleweight Taylor should of tried alot harder instead what does he do ?? gets make too look terrible against natural Welterweight and hopes to get a decision sorry but Taylor was lacklusture thats all there is to it.
His second win over Hopkins was legit ?? whys that ?? Hopkins threw more punches than he did in first fight and landed more plus he outlanded Taylor by 41 power shots i thought Hopkins won that fight and it was just as controversial as the first fight.
Ouma was able to bully Taylor and Ouma is a natural Lightmiddleweight and is no where near the size of Pavlik and yet again Taylor was made to look bad i think Pavlik will win by TKO late.
Here’s the thing, while many writers & Taylor fans argue that Jermain has successfully defended his middleweight crown against superior fighters like Bernard Hopkins & Ronald “Winky” Wright, I will not be one of those in Taylor‘s corner. While I was a rabid supporter of Taylor back in the day…those days are long gone for me. Personally, I just don’t believe that Taylor is worthy nor has he upheld the mantle that he was handed in his first 2005 “win” over Bernard Hopkins…to compound that point, I also don’t feel that he earned a draw against Wright…and then to add insult to injury…he looked horrible against Spinks & underperformed against Ouma.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Totally agree with this statement i think he should of lost 2nd Hopkins fight and the Wright fight and i scored the Spinks fight a draw Taylor has been on a winning streak with the judges and not for a good reason either Wright busted his eye up and should of won he looked like the winner blocked alot of Taylor's punches and clearly outlanded Taylor as for Hopkins fights well funny enough Wacko i thought Taylor won the first meeting and lost the rematch i thought Taylor won 7 rounds to 5 in first fight and i had him losing rematch Hopkins started faster landed more punches and outlanded Taylor in power shots by 41 punches i thought Hopkins won the rematch for certain and i have watched it 3 times.
While all of that sounds harsh…I’d urge you to look back on some of our former middleweight champs & compare Taylor to them. Don’t try racking your brain by matching apples to apples because you’ll come up with a half full bucket…that being my main argument with Taylor’s status…the kid just don’t add up. He started off like gang busters & was a force to be reckoned with with Pat Burns in his corner, but it seems to me that when he brought Steward into the corner his feet left the ground as HBO’s rising star & he’s been plummeting ever since.
Taylor has stopped using his jab for some reason and has looked lacklusture and not really interested i hope Pavlik wins it would be good to see some excitement back in Middleweight division its been pretty boring with Hopkins as champion and now Taylor i know you like Hopkins Wacko and i loved the fight with Tito vs Hopkins and i also loved the way he used to fight in his younger days with his aggressive style i used to find him exciting to watch and i got nothing against Hopkins i just didn't enjoy most of his title fights.
He‘s got more athletic ability & boxing savy than most of the top 10 contenders at 160 or 168lbs. Boxing fans will know & acknowledge that that’s a broad statement when you factor in names like Kessler, Wright, Sturm, Mundine, Pavlik, Abraham, Calzaghe, & Froch…but if Taylor could renew his drive, a win over those names might not be such a long shot…but as I said earlier…those days are done for me.
Imo Taylor isn't beating Calzaghe or Kessler at 168 no way and Mundine would be a tough fight for Taylor aswell and i also think Sturm is very good fighter wouldn't mind seeing him vs Taylor at some point or even against Pavlik at some point.
Who is Kelly Pavlik? I mean really. Most fans didn’t even know his face prior to the domination of Miranda…& just who the hell was Edison Miranda? Nothing more than a heavy handed one dimensional brute, right? So what does that make Pavlik?
It’s questions like that that lead to some of our best arguments on this forum…so believe you me when I say that if you don’t know who Pavlik is or you hadn’t seen him fight until the Miranda fight…you need to do your research.
I see Pavlik before Miranda fight and he impressed me before the Miranda fight when he stopped Bronco McKart for first time in his career and against Jose Luis Zertuche as for Miranda he was one dimentional but he still kicked Allen Green's ass who was a highly rated prospect and gave Arthur Abraham all he could handle in a dirty affair but still and also stopped Howard Eastman for the first time in his career.
Why Wacko? Why would you do the opposite of what you believe in? Why would you favor a heavy hitter over a boxer when you know that most boxers always find a way to beat out brute strength?
Honestly…I don’t know if I believe that HBO’s in Taylor’s corner anymore. I know that this is going to sound crazy…maybe even a bit wacko…but I truly believe that Taylor’s star has lost it’s luster & HBO is looking for someone that blazes instead of barely shines.
While that my sound silly & maybe even a bit conspiracy-ish…I believe that it’s true. I think that Taylor’s had a few handed his way lately & I honestly believe that it’s hurt his reputation & HBO’s. There are a lot of fans out there that think what I’m saying…they just don’t want to say it.
I favor Taylor based on Taylor not throwing enough punches also because Taylor's stamina is suspect and a highly offensive fighter like Pavlik will definetly test Taylor's suspect stamina and also because Taylor was getting bullied by natural Lightmiddleweight Ouma who hits nowhere near as hard and is nowhere near Pavlik's size if Ouma bullied Taylor can you imagine what a wrecking machine like Pavlik will do ??
No not Hopkins. Hopkins isnt 6'3..he is 6'1. Pavlik has a better reach.They both have great chinsQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
but Pavlik has a 77" reach. Hopkins has a 74" inch reach. Pavlik has power that can probally carry him up to the cruiser weights at his size now. Pavlik also is a rarity.....He writes left handed but fights Orthodox.
Pavlik also by many critics is the hardest punching guy pound for pound in the sport.
Exactly...Pavlik is much bigger than Hopkins and he hits harder...he's not as skilled or experienced, but he has more size and reach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogger
MY BWOY WACK IS FIRED UP FOR THIS FIGHT!
cc wacko. great article. i'll be here thanks to you. rock on.
Max Kellerman sucks balls.
This will be a great fight and I hope that if Taylor wins that people wont use excuses and still disregard him cuz he is the champ!
Ha Ha whoever made the Max Kellerman Statement that was freakin funny ha ha
I hate him!
That was me. Reading that article about Taylor was like reading an article on Pavlik by the SoAkron ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hopkins never let his hands go against Taylor, at least not in the way Kelly is going to unload. Hopkins gave away a lot of rounds. Taylor wont be fighting a pitter patter in Kassim Ouma or a runner in Cory Spinks. Taylor is fighting a young hungry kid that hits pretty darn hard. I see Kelly catching Taylor in the corners and on the ropes and putting a whooping on Taylor. Does anyone else find it odd that Taylor was already talking about a rematch? LOL that is a clear indication of Taylor's overall confidence coming into this fight. BTW. I don't give a rats-azz what you did in the amateurs. You can miss me with that nonsense all day long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogger
Time for you to hit the trail Taylor. Hopefully Pavlik beats him so bad, Taylor wont want a rematch.
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