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I'll give you Tszyu, although I didn't like the way the fight was ref'ed. Castillo was a shell of his former self. And Cotto has had better overall opponents than Hatton. In MY list, their positions are reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
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Oh... then it must be fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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We are all entitled to our opinion but I am just wondering, do you think Quintana is better than Collazo or De Marcus Corley is better than even a washed up Castillo. But i do concede that Malignaggi is better than Urango
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
It'd be hard to pick between Quintana and Collazo... but look at how Cotto dispatched Quintana, and compare that with how Hatton narrowly escaped against Collazo.
we shouldnt just look at who beat who here.
We should really try and put HOW who beat who. I mean, pavlik didnt just beat edison miranda, he ktfo'd him. Pavlik didnt just beat an undefeated jermaine taylor he knocked him out. (something BH x 2, Winky, joppy could not and did not do!) To me, the fashion in which he beat these people should weigh heavier on our minds than fights like PBF outpointing (outrunning) ODLH. Im not saying pavlik is THE p4p. but right now, i put him top 5 no question.
i dont think pavlik should be in the top 10 p4p at all.
I dont know much about him but isnt the p4p rankings for fighters who have fought in different weight divisions and have proved themselves there ???
he beat 2 good guys in the same division what is p4p about that? maybe he is the man in his division but that is all.
I sense a roasting from ICB or El Gamo coming on............ :bananastyle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doot
lol another thread ruined by someone posting a shit p4p list... anyhow back to the point...
Pavilk i would have anywhere from 15-20 i think... yeah he beat Taylor, props... It was a one punch win that won it, and Taylor getting to comfortable after the knockdowns that caused him to get tagged, Taylor will win the re-match, don't doubt it.
As for Pavlik, he is pretty easy to hit, has shit speed and very limited boxing skills. I like him, shows good heart and always puts on a show, but still the boy is a "Good" boxer at best, his power bailed him out in this fight. To say that this guy is on of the 10 best boxers in the world right now is laughable IMO
Uhh beating two of the best in division isn't P4P ?? so he has to fight in different weight divisions to be P4P ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Doot
I would put Pavlik to no.4
Why did you go easy on him? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
That makes him the best in his division. pound for pound I always ranked by fighters that do good in more than 1 division. If he moves up or down and fights and wins I would put him in the p4p rankings.Quote:
Uhh beating two of the best in division isn't P4P ?? so he has to fight in different weight divisions to be P4P
Which one of those would you take out in order to fit Cotto in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
One could make an argument for having Pavlik at number 10 but no higher as a matter of principle, since he beat a previous pound-for-pound top ten but not that much else (though certtainly Miranda was quite impressive). Then, as he continues to prove himself, he can go up.
I'd put Pavlik in the bottom half of the top 10. A win over Abraham would move him into top 5 on my list.
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People in boxrec are on crack. Their ATGs and p4p lists are whacked!Quote:
Originally Posted by slk123