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10-01-2007, 03:15 AM
Taeth

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

To say that "taylor beat himself" tends to discredit Pavlik. Well I'll put it this way if Pavlik was cautious and had better defense in round 2 I don't think Taylor would have landed that right hand that hurt Kelly.
Pavlik was CONSISTENTLY landing left jabs and his power right hand over the course of the 7 rounds it might not be as flashy and quick as Taylor's but I'm pretty sure it's doing some damage. JT was being backed up by Pavlik and he can't do anything about it, for the first time JT actually fought somebody as big as him if not bigger. The accumulation of power punches from Pavlik beat Taylor

I don't think he was going significantly more damage than Taylor up until that punch. Taylor was starting to get his groove going, but he was tired, and he was making the same mistakes he has been making for a long time, moving straight back with his hands down.
10-01-2007, 03:16 AM
Taeth

Re: Taylor beat himself.

Also about those 44 power punches in round 2, Taylor wasn't planting his feet so he wasn't getting the proper leverage, and he wasn't throwing uppercuts which are the most damaging punches you can throw.
10-01-2007, 03:20 AM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Also about those 44 power punches in round 2, Taylor wasn't planting his feet so he wasn't getting the proper leverage, and he wasn't throwing uppercuts which are the most damaging punches you can throw.

Oh come on they were still 44 power punches fact of matter is he landed 44 power punches and dominated Pavlik it was nothing Taylor done wrong it was the guts the chin and survival instincts of Pavlik.
10-01-2007, 04:14 AM
Mr140

Re: Taylor beat himself.

Ice i got a question who you think would win Pavlik or winky just tok what you think
10-01-2007, 04:17 AM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Ice i got a question who you think would win Pavlik or winky just tok what you think

Pavlik if he goes to the body.
10-01-2007, 12:59 PM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???
10-01-2007, 01:05 PM
Fenster

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!
10-01-2007, 01:11 PM
SigmaMu

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

You are fan boy or you don't know shiet about boxing if you gave the first round to Taylor.

We know Lou DibullShiet had all three judges in his pocket.

You think you know more about boxing than Manny Steward? LMAO!

The first thing Emmanuel told Taylor in the corner after the first round was that he being Taylor had lost the first round. Did you also give Taylor round SEVEN?

HAHAHHAA! LMAO!

Silly goose!
10-01-2007, 01:30 PM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.
10-01-2007, 01:44 PM
Fenster

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance :o

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave. ;)
10-01-2007, 01:48 PM
Dark Lord Al

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

He had Pavlik beaten, he screwed up badly. I don't think these are mistakes he can ever correct, but in my mind if he hadn't tired himself out he is too fast for Pavlik to have won, and Pavlik doesn't have good enough defense, I think his chin is fine because Taylor punches hard despite what some people are saying.

Are you on CRACK ?
Taylor has had this comming to him since he was given the virdict over B-HOP.
Pavlik is the first dangerous puncher he has defended againest , and in a rematch id say Pavlik wont get caught the same , and wins again.
face it JT has no stamina, is one paced , and is boring.
Hope Pavlik reigns for ages , he can really fight !!!!!
10-01-2007, 01:48 PM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance :o

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave. ;)

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.
10-01-2007, 02:17 PM
Fenster

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance :o

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave. ;)

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?
10-01-2007, 02:23 PM
ICB

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance :o

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave. ;)

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably

But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.
10-01-2007, 02:57 PM
Fenster

Re: Taylor beat himself.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by ACEA

well the first round was pritty close i just like Taylors work more the Pavliks thats all Taylor started well and finshed the round well you could make and argument for either fighter. I am not a fan of either fighter i scored the fight as i saw it a lot of people think im full of S*** but hey none of us are professional judges so i think its kinda harsh to flame me.

You gave first round to Taylor even though Pavlik landed 43 out of 89 and Taylor landed 26 out of 72 ???

ahahaa

You count those whilst watching it LIVE!?!?!

Pavlik won the first round clearly anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably i was just telling him the punchstats indicating he needs to watch the fight again.

The arrogance :o

Look at WACKO's RD by RD for the 1st - "Hard to score but Pavlik get’s that one" - Hard to score indicates it could of gone either way. Does Wacko not know what he's watching?

Former "world" champ Glenn McCrory scoring for SKY TV gave the 1st to Taylor. He doesn't know what he's watching either?

Behave. ;)

Well unless you count punches hitting the gloves because Pavlik clearly won the round i bet if Wacko watched it again he would agree and yes Fenster your right Glenn McCrory can't be wrong because every boxer is a good judge thats why people Like McGuigan and Mason only had Lewis winning the first Holyfield fight by 1 point and that fight was about easy to score as making a bowl of cereal.

Agree to what? That he doesn't know how to score a fight.. in your opinion?

What does "Glen McCrory can't be wrong" have to do with anything? I was showing you a respected commentator had a different opinion of who won the round. You're saying he doesn't know what he's doing, right?

Ok maybe i went bit far when i said this comment.

anyone who knows how to score a boxing fight properly knows Pavlik won the first round comfortably

But come on Fenster Pavlik clearly won the round and as for McCrory he judged the round very poorly he should of seen Pavlik landed the better shots and the more shots and that alot of Taylor's punches were being blocked and the punchstats are the icing on the cake.

Punchstats are used with hindsight they're no good when scoring a fight live.

The point is, unless the fight is a complete shut-out people see things unfold slightly different. Silly to claim people don't know what they're watching after you've had repeated viewings and punchstats to back up your point.

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