Re: MAB vs Morales: who deserves more praise?
shame, I just cc clicked you on another thread when you correctly informed the punters it's not all about blood, gore, ko's etc
which bit in particular do you have issues with? 8)
Re: MAB vs Morales: who deserves more praise?
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Good Points Gamo, nuther CC for ya.
Thanks my man,CC back. 8) :D
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Originally Posted by Missy
Eriks overeating is his problem. If you don't know the circumstance then you can't comment, I do know so I can 8) and it has nothing to do with being shot & I'm not being drawn on it.
As for Barreras earlier career, go watch them plenty of smarts going on.
If we both agree neither should be judged based on 1 fighter what the hell are you arguing with me for? My criticism was based on Morales' face first attack and defence style which is based on his own preference and wanting to please those particular fans who bay for fighters blood and if they don't get it call fighters pussies. I don't consider it smart.
LOL,I'm not arguing with you,you're arguing with me!! I'm just defending my points!! And you get ZERO points for things you if you don't know the circumstances,you can't comment. What makes you privy to such info? Are you above other boxing fans? How do you know it's reliable?
I have MAB's entire career(practically and have watched it time and time again. He was a brawler who did some clever things. Just like Morales when he first started off. And like I said,say what you want about Morales style but it got him more big wins than MAB.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Missy
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earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.
& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.
Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.
And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.
I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.
I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?
come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.
EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?
All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.
furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.
if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more
Bored with this.
:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous
It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.
Re: MAB vs Morales: who deserves more praise?
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret shit on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Re: MAB vs Morales: who deserves more praise?
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Originally Posted by Missy
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret S*** on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Nuh uh. I forgive you for pulling it out on me. :-* Heh heh heh.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I'm really sorry for Barrera as i feel his age of 33 has been made much greater by the wars he's been in. Honestly pictures before the fight made him look 50. A great fighter and a guy il always remember alongside all the other Mexican Warriors (which include Morales.)
He looks happy enough ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Missy
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret S*** on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Nuh uh. I forgive you for pulling it out on me. :-* Heh heh heh.
I swear to Mrs Wacko, I've never pulled anything of Wackos :-X
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Missy
earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.
& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.
Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.
And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.
I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.
I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?
come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.
EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?
All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.
furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.
if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more
Bored with this.
:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous
It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.
He sad clicked Missy,he sad clicked me yesterday. He sad clicks anyone that bad mouths his Manny or that does not lick Manny's balls.
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Originally Posted by Missy
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret shit on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Fair enough.You made your points and I made mine. And I think I know what you're alluding too.MAB's traumas during his first fight with Manny?
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Follow up Question.
Is Barrera going to be one of those guys that actually makes more money after he retires than he did during his career???
I mean everybody would want to hire him to be their lawyer because of his status!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Missy
earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.
& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.
Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.
And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.
I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.
I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?
come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.
EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?
All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.
furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.
if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more
Bored with this.
:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous
It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.
I was talking to missy, I don't agree in what shes said "Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best" if thats the case then why rate anyone highly just cause the manny we're use to is knocking out all his oppenent in all of his wins his suddenly not deserving to be rated high? I think thats rediculous cause floyd hasn't stopped anyone since mitchell and he has been fighting old guys with a losing average of atleast 4 or 5. I think people are getting suckered into believing the pac vs mab 2 was a bad fight but I think if you look at it in a more mature way, marco still lost against pac in his own prefered pace and style and that itself deserves some credit.
"All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know."
and I also didn't agree on this becuase it is rediculous to think the two stoppage shouldn't be there, history books do show W L D ofcourse, but why shouldn't they be recorded when they took place and were produce by hard workers its just not right to think of taking away someones achievements.
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Originally Posted by Missy
shame, I just cc clicked you on another thread when you correctly informed the punters it's not all about blood, gore, ko's etc
which bit in particular do you have issues with? 8)
you can take it back if you like.
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Missy
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret S*** on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Nuh uh. I forgive you for pulling it out on me. :-* Heh heh heh.
I swear to Mrs Wacko, I've never pulled anything of Wackos :-X
Ahhhhhhhhhhh she wouldn't care. Go ahead...you can kiss & tell...Wacko has no shame. :P
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He sad clicked Missy,he sad clicked me yesterday. He sad clicks anyone that bad mouths his Manny or that does not lick Manny's balls.
Ahhhhhhhhhh...one of those. Gotcha.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Follow up Question.
Is Barrera going to be one of those guys that actually makes more money after he retires than he did during his career???
I mean everybody would want to hire him to be their lawyer because of his status!
Like Big Geroge? Good question? Being a lawyer is hard work though,he's probably made neough $$4 to see out the rest of his life comfortably,so he won't need to. He's also still a partner in GBP isn't he? Maybe he can help promote more fights in the future.
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Missy
earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.
& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.
Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.
And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.
I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.
I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?
come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.
EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?
All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.
furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.
if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more
Bored with this.
:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous
It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.
I was talking to missy, I don't agree in what shes said "Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best" if thats the case then why rate anyone highly just cause the manny we're use to is knocking out all his oppenent in all of his wins his suddenly not deserving to be rated high?
That actually is a good point.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Missy
earned more respect? From who exactly? Fans who like to see boxers get smashed up and fight past their best? Don't get me wrong I like to see a good scrap but I also admire skill, you know the skill of hit and not be hit. I've seen Barrera as a boxer and brawler and Morales as less flexible.
& he did not just go in there to survive, I find that insulting.
Well considering most knowledgeable fans consider thier legacies close,I'd say alot of true boxing fans appreciate both aspects.Morales earned more respect for trying to win the fight.
And you find the notion of MAB surviving insulting but it could be considered true,based on his comments after the fight,the fact that his corner told him he needed to fight more etc. And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't MAB past his best? I know the skill of hit and not get hit. It wasn't what MAB was doing v Pac.
I also admire skill greatly,the skill Morales has displayed all throughtout his career up until fairly late where he fell in love with brawling.The skill he displayed beating Manny the first time,which MAB could not achieve using his felxibility.
I'm also one of the first to admonish Morales for his decision to carry on fighting. Whats your point?
come on now Morales couldn't resist getting involved in a brawl it was his thing and it's what people liked about his style and my overall point is if you failed to figure it out can clearly be spelt out by hitmandonny. I like thinking fighters.
EM outbrawled manny and later suffered for it.
Why rate Manny so highly when he couldn't finish off someone past their best. I think the statement mostly refers to the know nothings who said Barrera would get knocked out in 3 rounds. An improved Manny couldn't do it 4 years later?
All I know and I do know this is, the two stoppages he has on his record shouldn't be there but because of circumstance they are. All history books and regular fans see is the W L D. It isn't sour grapes, it depends on what you know.
furthermore I don't think Barrera/Morales should be judged solely based on their performances with Paquiao. That's like condensing Tyson to his Buster Douglas moment.
if you're bringing that up Morales lost to Raheem......say no more
Bored with this.
:sadclick: it case you wonder who gave you one it was me cause honestly this post here is rediculous
It's ridiculous...& I'm just curious which one you sad clicked...Gamo or Missy...because both sides of that coin are valid.
He sad clicked Missy,he sad clicked me yesterday. He sad clicks anyone that bad mouths his Manny or that does not lick Manny's balls.
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Originally Posted by Missy
Because I have been privy that's all you need to know, I'm not pulling some bighead secret shit on you guys, I wouldn't do that. In fact if people dig hard enough they could probably find out for themselves.
Boxing fans are an unforgiving lot.
Fair enough.You made your points and I made mine. And I think I know what you're alluding too.MAB's traumas during his first fight with Manny?
thats pretty mature gamo, all I know is we all are suppose to use the s.d buttons and c.c buttons. I'm honest when it comes to coolclicking some and I'm also honest in sad clicking someone. we all do sad clicks the difference is i will tell it. I'm not trying to get drawn into your insults, but don't mistake me for what i'm not.
