Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
You are on drugs mate if you think for 1 minute Hamed would have beaten Morales , Junior Jones Kicked the crap out of MAB and Hamed didnt even hurt him , so wot makes you think for 1 minute he would have hit and hurt Morales , more to the point Augie Sanchez hit Hamed with a shit load of shot , Eric Morales is much better than Sanchez , which ever way you look at it Morales and MAB were way better than Hamed.
and to say Naz fought shit in the states is true , BUT HAS IT
OCCURED TO YOU ITS BECAUSE THE
OPONANTS WERE FAR BETTER WHEN HE FOUGHT THERE DUMMY !!!!!!!!
Occurred. Opponent. Hope this helps.
All the opponents were better in America? Righto.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Morales isn't as smart as Barrera
Naz would of hit him, and if Naz can hit you he can hurt you.
Prime Morales had granite chin i would pick the Morales who fought Pacquiao in 1st fight over any version of Naz any day.
The Morales that fought Pac first fight would have been knocked unconcious by Naz. Naz would have only had to hit him with around 10% of the shots Pac did to make him sleep.
Morales fought very good fight counter punching on occasions Pacquiao would rush Morales and catch him with some shots and Morales would fight back but remember Naz doesn't throw as many punches as Pacquiao and Naz has terrible defense all Morales would have to do is counter puncher and put a bit of hurt on Naz here and there and he would win i see Naz struggle with alot of lesser fighters than Morales.
Ive seen Morales get hit plenty by much lesser fighters than Naz. Morales would of been too macho against Naz and ended up paying for it.
Plus you have to take into consideration where it takes place. Naz always fought S*** in the States. In England Naz would of toyed with him before making him sleep.
Well obvisiously Morales has got hit by lesser fighters everyone does this is called boxing do you remember Cesar Soto vs Naz when Soto was applying effective aggression in later rounds and was doing a good job of it so then Naz had to do that backbreaker move ?? or whatever its called and knocked the wind out of Soto that was very controversial or what about Ingle fight when Ingle was close to stopping Naz in the 10th round and bloodied his nose ?? or getting knocked down 3 times by Kevin Kelly ?? or what about Medina fight ?? Naseem always had terrible balance and terrible defense a prime Morales who had granite chin and great counter punching skills would eat Naz alive.
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Yeah I remember, those are great memories.
Actually the Naz that fought Kelly would of DEFINTELY made Morales sleep. Just imagine Morales trying to kill Naz off - BOOOOOM!!! Whump there it is!!!
Difference is Kelley had weak chin Morales doesn't ;)
Chins don't matter when you have power like Naz.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
power doesnt matter either if you cant land your big punches , like Hamed v MAB lol , or if you diagree why didnt Hamed win that fight ?
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MAB - Hamed fought a better fighter in the uk ???? lol
Sanchez - Hamed fought a bigger puncher on UK shores ??? lol
Soto - Hamed fought a guy with a better chin in a UK fight ??? lol
Pocker Rocket - Hamed fought a guy with stamina like that in a UK fight ??? lol
Kind of a trend here :)
go away you TWAT !
YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH HAMED , FINE JUST SAY IT :)
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
power doesnt matter either if you cant land your big punches , like Hamed v MAB lol , or if you diagree why didnt Hamed win that fight ?
also :-
MAB - Hamed fought a better fighter in the uk ???? lol
Sanchez - Hamed fought a bigger puncher on UK shores ??? lol
Soto - Hamed fought a guy with a better chin in a UK fight ??? lol
Pocker Rocket - Hamed fought a guy with stamina like that in a UK fight ??? lol
Kind of a trend here :)
go away you TWAT !
YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH HAMED , FINE JUST SAY IT :)
Ok. Well Barrera beat Naz, right? Junior Jones kicked the shit out of Barrera, right? Well Paul Ingle kicked the shit out of Junior Jones. So why didn't Paul Ingle beat Naz?
Why do I have to go away? I'm enjoying myself.
And no I don't love Hamed, he's not my type, too short.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
power doesnt matter either if you cant land your big punches , like Hamed v MAB lol , or if you diagree why didnt Hamed win that fight ?
also :-
MAB - Hamed fought a better fighter in the uk ???? lol
Sanchez - Hamed fought a bigger puncher on UK shores ??? lol
Soto - Hamed fought a guy with a better chin in a UK fight ??? lol
Pocker Rocket - Hamed fought a guy with stamina like that in a UK fight ??? lol
Kind of a trend here :)
go away you TWAT !
YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH HAMED , FINE JUST SAY IT :)
Ok. Well Barrera beat Naz, right? Junior Jones kicked the S*** out of Barrera, right? Well Paul Ingle kicked the S*** out of Junior Jones. So why didn't Paul Ingle beat Naz?
Why do I have to go away? I'm enjoying myself.
And no I don't love Hamed, he's not my type, too short.
The point i was making was , you commented on Hameds power , and i was making the point that he didnt have the ability to catch great fighters , ie MAB ,so how was he going to beat Morales.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
power doesnt matter either if you cant land your big punches , like Hamed v MAB lol , or if you diagree why didnt Hamed win that fight ?
also :-
MAB - Hamed fought a better fighter in the uk ???? lol
Sanchez - Hamed fought a bigger puncher on UK shores ??? lol
Soto - Hamed fought a guy with a better chin in a UK fight ??? lol
Pocker Rocket - Hamed fought a guy with stamina like that in a UK fight ??? lol
Kind of a trend here :)
go away you TWAT !
YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH HAMED , FINE JUST SAY IT :)
Ok. Well Barrera beat Naz, right? Junior Jones kicked the S*** out of Barrera, right? Well Paul Ingle kicked the S*** out of Junior Jones. So why didn't Paul Ingle beat Naz?
Why do I have to go away? I'm enjoying myself.
And no I don't love Hamed, he's not my type, too short.
The point i was making was , you commented on Hameds power , and i was making the point that he didnt have the ability to catch great fighters , ie MAB ,so how was he going to beat Morales.
Are Morales and Barrera one and the same? If not, then it's highly possible Naz could of hit Morales, right? If Naz could hit Morales it's highly possible Naz could hurt him, right? If Naz could hurt him it's highly possible Naz could beat him, right?
You must agree, right?
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
Yes its possible Hamed may have hit hit of course , but remember Morales would be hitting back , and Eric had a granite chin , i just dont see how a limbo dancer with terrible balance and power , beats any elite fighter.
but if you dont agree then fine but i think you wont be in the majority.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
then it's highly possible Naz could of hit Morales, right? If Naz could hit Morales it's highly possible Naz could hurt him, right? If Naz could hurt him it's highly possible Naz could beat him, right?
You must agree, right?
[/quote]Carnt argue with that! :coolclick:
If naz hit you with a clean shot most fighters were in trouble its when he couldnt hit you eg MAB he struggled some times.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Yes its possible Hamed may have hit hit of course , but remember Morales would be hitting back , and Eric had a granite chin , i just dont see how a limbo dancer with terrible balance and power , beats any elite fighter.
but if you dont agree then fine but i think you wont be in the majority.
OK, we're getting somewhere now. There is NO right or wrong answer. We're discussing the possible outcome of an IMAGINARY fight. It's just a bit of FUN!!!
Fuck knows who would have won. What I do know is it would of been GREAT to have seen it actually happen.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
I think the bottom line is that Morales vs. Hamed would have been a more explosive fight. Barrera was always the smarter fighter than Eric. Marco by that time could adjust his style accordingly and wouldn't have been foolish to just go in and slug it out with a big puncher. Morales on the other had would brawl it out. Against a big puncher...that is always dangerous. That being said...no way Morales would lose to Hamed. Eric had too much skill and would eventually stop him. All i'm saying is that Hamed could have potentially fared better against Morales.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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I don't think theres 1 right answer,I think it's a mixture of several things.
After the 1st Erik-MAB fight Erik moved up to Feather and quickly got a shot at the WBC title. As we very well know Warrens got the WBO in their back pocket for Hamed to fight Erik and bring the WBO into a fight with Erik & the WBC title would have been a no, no. I don't think there was enough money Warren could have payed to have that OK'ed at that time. MAB stood at Super Bantam and I also think the loss took some effect on him, he got a gift from the WBO and kept the belt when Erik moved up in weight. MAB made some defenses and got some wins against OK opposition while Erik kicked some ass as a Feather by beating literally beating Kevin Kelly, Guty Espadas Jr. & Inji Chi. All top prominent fighters at that moment in time. While MAB beat (at Super Bantam) Luis Freitaz, Jose Valbuena & Jesus Salud. A lot of people forget that MAB moved up in weight to face Naz it takes a lot to move up in weight and for your 1st fight at a new weight fight for a title even more to face someone like Naz at that moment in time.
When you look at what both fighters did after their 1st meeting (Erik & MAB) I think it was pretty clear for Warren who was the weakest link. He thought it was MAB boy! was he wrong.
Naz wasn't even with Warren then. Interesting theory though ;)
Naz wasnt with Warren in 2000?
Cause that's what I'm talking about I'm talking about Naz vs. Morales in 2000.
If he wasn't then that's my mistake.... :(
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I don't think theres 1 right answer,I think it's a mixture of several things.
After the 1st Erik-MAB fight Erik moved up to Feather and quickly got a shot at the WBC title. As we very well know Warrens got the WBO in their back pocket for Hamed to fight Erik and bring the WBO into a fight with Erik & the WBC title would have been a no, no. I don't think there was enough money Warren could have payed to have that OK'ed at that time. MAB stood at Super Bantam and I also think the loss took some effect on him, he got a gift from the WBO and kept the belt when Erik moved up in weight. MAB made some defenses and got some wins against OK opposition while Erik kicked some a** as a Feather by beating literally beating Kevin Kelly, Guty Espadas Jr. & Inji Chi. All top prominent fighters at that moment in time. While MAB beat (at Super Bantam) Luis Freitaz, Jose Valbuena & Jesus Salud. A lot of people forget that MAB moved up in weight to face Naz it takes a lot to move up in weight and for your 1st fight at a new weight fight for a title even more to face someone like Naz at that moment in time.
When you look at what both fighters did after their 1st meeting (Erik & MAB) I think it was pretty clear for Warren who was the weakest link. He thought it was MAB boy! was he wrong.
There is one right answer, and it is this...
Back then in the first figh morales was the boxer, and barrera the fighter... after that fight, sure morales shot his mouth off about "fighting like a mexican"
Team hammed knew berrera won that fight like every other sane person who seen it, but there were certain berrera would fight naz not box, whilest morales would box him and expose him...
They beleievd naz would have the power to ko bareera if he tried to war him. Bareera boxed, naz got exposed for the fraud he was.
thats the one and only answer.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
power doesnt matter either if you cant land your big punches , like Hamed v MAB lol , or if you diagree why didnt Hamed win that fight ?
also :-
MAB - Hamed fought a better fighter in the uk ???? lol
Sanchez - Hamed fought a bigger puncher on UK shores ??? lol
Soto - Hamed fought a guy with a better chin in a UK fight ??? lol
Pocker Rocket - Hamed fought a guy with stamina like that in a UK fight ??? lol
Kind of a trend here :)
go away you TWAT !
YOU ARE IN LOVE WITH HAMED , FINE JUST SAY IT :)
Ok. Well Barrera beat Naz, right? Junior Jones kicked the shit out of Barrera, right? Well Paul Ingle kicked the shit out of Junior Jones. So why didn't Paul Ingle beat Naz?
Why do I have to go away? I'm enjoying myself.
And no I don't love Hamed, he's not my type, too short.
;D Great response
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
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I was watching Barrera-Morales I the other day (for about the 100th time), and in-between rounds they show Hamed's brother sitting in the stands. The HBO crew commented that he was there scouting Barrera and Morales, because Naz wanted to fight the winner at 126 pounds.
Morales of course won the fight (the Fight of the Decade in my opinion) on a controversial decision. Many people thought Barrera deserved the win, although I've always felt the decision was correct and that Erik had earned the victory. (I thought Erik also won the 2nd fight with Barrera but that's besides the point).
So my question is... if Hamed wanted the winner, why did he fight Barrera instead of Morales??
1. Did he think that Barrera really won the fight, and therefore thought he deserved the shot? (I don't think this answer is the one.)
2. Did he think Morales was more dangerous than Barrera, and therefore chose the opponent who he thought would be easier to face? (More likely.)
3. Did he try to fight Morales, but a deal couldn't be worked out?
Does anyone know?
Hamed said he wanted to fight them both and that barrera was the first one he could strike a deal with so he fought him first. After the thrashing he received off barrera though i think he realized that he would have been in for the same treatment off Morales so he just faded into obscurity. ::**
The point is that in their prime Morales and Barrera were the 2nd and 3rd greatest featherweights of all time behind pepp, and Hamed was just not in the same league as them.
Re: Why did Hamed fight Barrera and not Morales?
Styles make fights.
People say Hamed has weakness when people apply effective aggressiveness, but people who did that ultimately ended up getting knocked out but the same can be said for miguel cotto but no one cares the struggles if the result is always a knock out when it comes to him, and nobody cared about when it happened to Gatti when the end result is the same.
Barerra's golden gameplan was staying away from the power hand and outboxing Naseem Hamed.
We can agree that Morales isn't as good a boxer as Barerra and he wouldnt follow through with that game plan. He would trade with Hamed and even if Hamed struggled even if people did push him back he always knocked him out.
The thing is people love to use "almost' with Hamed. As in someone "almost" did this, if they "could have" done this then he would have lost. But you can play that with all the boxers nowadays so it makes little difference, the fact is it didnt.
But it would have been an explosive fight
