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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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I loved this era of british boxing and I think everyone will agree it produced some great fights. But who was the best? Who would have beat who on their best night? This is the order I saw the british middle/supermiddleweights of the early to mid 90s.
#1) Watson
#2) Eubank
#3) Collins
#4) Benn
Has anyone got a different point of view?
Watson was imo he beat Benn and Eubank got gift decision in first Watson vs Eubank 1 fight alot of people thought Watson won and in rematch with Eubank he was a mile ahead on points when Eubank got a lucky uppercut out of nowhere but unlucky in Watson's case the Watson who fought Eubank in 2nd fight was incredible imo the best out of the 4.
I actually scored the first Watson Eubank fight a draw but I did have Watson a mile ahead for the 2nd and that is why I put Watson at no1. I think that Eubank before the second Watson fight would have beat Collins too.
Without wanting to sound callous though, Eubank won that rematch with Watson in the most spectacular fashion imaginable, getting straight off the canvas to knock Watson out. Completely tragic what happened to Watson but it doesn't alter the fact that Eubank won.
Watson was also knocked out by McCallum which is why he ranks lower than Eubank and Benn imo.
He could have gone on to acheive more possibly, but sadly we will never know.
But Bilbo the question was who on there best night would of come out on top and if Eubank would of been given the mandatory 8 count that uppercut would of never landed Eubank got a lucky punch out of nowhere and Watson imo was robbed in there first meeting i would pick the Watson who fought Eubank in rematch to beat Benn, Eubank and Collins.
Watson was so unlucky i think he was better than Benn, Eubank and Collins its just a shame he had very bad luck because he was well on his way to winning the 2nd fight with Eubank until that uppercut out of nowhere.
Ok so putting all their acheivements aside and just focusing one one fictitious night where all four of them came together at their absolute peaks and gave the performances of their lives.........who would win? Hmm, ok after much deliberation I'd have to say............................................... ........................
Chris Eubank ;)
I'm being totally serious here, Chris proved in fights with Nigel Benn, Michael Watson, Joe Calzaghe and Carl Thompson that he could go to the well and summon up inhuman resources of strength and resiliance.
The man was practically superhuman in his ability to absorb punishment and at his very very best would have worn out Benn and Watson just as he did. Collins was another tough guy and could take one hell of a shot but he against a prime and hungry Eubank he would have been outfought imo.
It suprises me that you don't credit Eubank at all with his strength of character in coming off the canvas on the brink of defeat to get up and finish Michael Watson in the sensational style that he did.
It was tragic what happend to Michael but let's be honest that fight was one of the greatest ever seen, a Castillo Coralles type brawl and Chris, unbeaten at the time and desperate to stay that way showed the grit of a true champion.
He never wore out Watson though Watson should of won first fight but Eubank got a gift decision and in rematch Watson was easily beating Eubank and that was Eubank at his very best until Eubank threw an uppercut out of nowhere out of desperation and Watson was very unlucky when he went down that his head whiplashed off the ropes and i give Eubank credit thats where your wrong but if he we are on about both at there best Watson would win just like he was doing in the 2nd fight with Eubank and he would of won 2nd fight if the ref would of give Eubank the mandatory count when Eubank went down no doubt Eubank was tough as nails and one of the toughest fighters to ever lace em up but i truly believe Watson had Eubank's number and didn't Benn and Eubank say they consider Watson the best ??
Look Ice I don't want to sound callous but Michael Watson did not have Eubanks number. If he had Eubanks number he a)wouldn't have gone 0-2 with and b) he wouldn't have been punched into a come for around 20ish days and left barely able to walk.
Eubank literally almost beat the life out of Micheal Watson in one of the most gruelling British fights of all time :'(
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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I loved this era of british boxing and I think everyone will agree it produced some great fights. But who was the best? Who would have beat who on their best night? This is the order I saw the british middle/supermiddleweights of the early to mid 90s.
#1) Watson
#2) Eubank
#3) Collins
#4) Benn
Has anyone got a different point of view?
Watson was imo he beat Benn and Eubank got gift decision in first Watson vs Eubank 1 fight alot of people thought Watson won and in rematch with Eubank he was a mile ahead on points when Eubank got a lucky uppercut out of nowhere but unlucky in Watson's case the Watson who fought Eubank in 2nd fight was incredible imo the best out of the 4.
I actually scored the first Watson Eubank fight a draw but I did have Watson a mile ahead for the 2nd and that is why I put Watson at no1. I think that Eubank before the second Watson fight would have beat Collins too.
Without wanting to sound callous though, Eubank won that rematch with Watson in the most spectacular fashion imaginable, getting straight off the canvas to knock Watson out. Completely tragic what happened to Watson but it doesn't alter the fact that Eubank won.
Watson was also knocked out by McCallum which is why he ranks lower than Eubank and Benn imo.
He could have gone on to acheive more possibly, but sadly we will never know.
But Bilbo the question was who on there best night would of come out on top and if Eubank would of been given the mandatory 8 count that uppercut would of never landed Eubank got a lucky punch out of nowhere and Watson imo was robbed in there first meeting i would pick the Watson who fought Eubank in rematch to beat Benn, Eubank and Collins.
Watson was so unlucky i think he was better than Benn, Eubank and Collins its just a shame he had very bad luck because he was well on his way to winning the 2nd fight with Eubank until that uppercut out of nowhere.
Ok so putting all their acheivements aside and just focusing one one fictitious night where all four of them came together at their absolute peaks and gave the performances of their lives.........who would win? Hmm, ok after much deliberation I'd have to say............................................... ........................
Chris Eubank ;)
I'm being totally serious here, Chris proved in fights with Nigel Benn, Michael Watson, Joe Calzaghe and Carl Thompson that he could go to the well and summon up inhuman resources of strength and resiliance.
The man was practically superhuman in his ability to absorb punishment and at his very very best would have worn out Benn and Watson just as he did. Collins was another tough guy and could take one hell of a shot but he against a prime and hungry Eubank he would have been outfought imo.
It suprises me that you don't credit Eubank at all with his strength of character in coming off the canvas on the brink of defeat to get up and finish Michael Watson in the sensational style that he did.
It was tragic what happend to Michael but let's be honest that fight was one of the greatest ever seen, a Castillo Coralles type brawl and Chris, unbeaten at the time and desperate to stay that way showed the grit of a true champion.
He never wore out Watson though Watson should of won first fight but Eubank got a gift decision and in rematch Watson was easily beating Eubank and that was Eubank at his very best until Eubank threw an uppercut out of nowhere out of desperation and Watson was very unlucky when he went down that his head whiplashed off the ropes and i give Eubank credit thats where your wrong but if he we are on about both at there best Watson would win just like he was doing in the 2nd fight with Eubank and he would of won 2nd fight if the ref would of give Eubank the mandatory count when Eubank went down no doubt Eubank was tough as nails and one of the toughest fighters to ever lace em up but i truly believe Watson had Eubank's number and didn't Benn and Eubank say they consider Watson the best ??
Look Ice I don't want to sound callous but Michael Watson did not have Eubanks number. If he had Eubanks number he a)wouldn't have gone 0-2 with and b) he wouldn't have been punched into a come for around 20ish days and left barely able to walk.
Eubank literally almost beat the life out of Micheal Watson in one of the most gruelling British fights of all time :'(
Alot of people thought Watson was hard done by in 1st fight i thought Watson won by 2 points and in rematch he was beating Eubank badly until Eubank's lucky uppercut out of nowhere i give Eubank credit because he showed alot of determination to get up and floor Watson but i think Watson was just so damn unlucky Bilbo and i truly believe if Watson and Eubank fought 10 times at there best Watson would come out on top the Watson who fought Eubank in 2nd fight was a machine non stop he took Eubank's best and kept coming and coming that should of been Watson's night :'(
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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I loved this era of british boxing and I think everyone will agree it produced some great fights. But who was the best? Who would have beat who on their best night? This is the order I saw the british middle/supermiddleweights of the early to mid 90s.
#1) Watson
#2) Eubank
#3) Collins
#4) Benn
Has anyone got a different point of view?
Watson was imo he beat Benn and Eubank got gift decision in first Watson vs Eubank 1 fight alot of people thought Watson won and in rematch with Eubank he was a mile ahead on points when Eubank got a lucky uppercut out of nowhere but unlucky in Watson's case the Watson who fought Eubank in 2nd fight was incredible imo the best out of the 4.
I actually scored the first Watson Eubank fight a draw but I did have Watson a mile ahead for the 2nd and that is why I put Watson at no1. I think that Eubank before the second Watson fight would have beat Collins too.
Without wanting to sound callous though, Eubank won that rematch with Watson in the most spectacular fashion imaginable, getting straight off the canvas to knock Watson out. Completely tragic what happened to Watson but it doesn't alter the fact that Eubank won.
Watson was also knocked out by McCallum which is why he ranks lower than Eubank and Benn imo.
He could have gone on to acheive more possibly, but sadly we will never know.
But Bilbo the question was who on there best night would of come out on top and if Eubank would of been given the mandatory 8 count that uppercut would of never landed Eubank got a lucky punch out of nowhere and Watson imo was robbed in there first meeting i would pick the Watson who fought Eubank in rematch to beat Benn, Eubank and Collins.
Watson was so unlucky i think he was better than Benn, Eubank and Collins its just a shame he had very bad luck because he was well on his way to winning the 2nd fight with Eubank until that uppercut out of nowhere.
Ok so putting all their acheivements aside and just focusing one one fictitious night where all four of them came together at their absolute peaks and gave the performances of their lives.........who would win? Hmm, ok after much deliberation I'd have to say............................................... ........................
Chris Eubank ;)
I'm being totally serious here, Chris proved in fights with Nigel Benn, Michael Watson, Joe Calzaghe and Carl Thompson that he could go to the well and summon up inhuman resources of strength and resiliance.
The man was practically superhuman in his ability to absorb punishment and at his very very best would have worn out Benn and Watson just as he did. Collins was another tough guy and could take one hell of a shot but he against a prime and hungry Eubank he would have been outfought imo.
It suprises me that you don't credit Eubank at all with his strength of character in coming off the canvas on the brink of defeat to get up and finish Michael Watson in the sensational style that he did.
It was tragic what happend to Michael but let's be honest that fight was one of the greatest ever seen, a Castillo Coralles type brawl and Chris, unbeaten at the time and desperate to stay that way showed the grit of a true champion.
He never wore out Watson though Watson should of won first fight but Eubank got a gift decision and in rematch Watson was easily beating Eubank and that was Eubank at his very best until Eubank threw an uppercut out of nowhere out of desperation and Watson was very unlucky when he went down that his head whiplashed off the ropes and i give Eubank credit thats where your wrong but if he we are on about both at there best Watson would win just like he was doing in the 2nd fight with Eubank and he would of won 2nd fight if the ref would of give Eubank the mandatory count when Eubank went down no doubt Eubank was tough as nails and one of the toughest fighters to ever lace em up but i truly believe Watson had Eubank's number and didn't Benn and Eubank say they consider Watson the best ??
Look Ice I don't want to sound callous but Michael Watson did not have Eubanks number. If he had Eubanks number he a)wouldn't have gone 0-2 with and b) he wouldn't have been punched into a come for around 20ish days and left barely able to walk.
Eubank literally almost beat the life out of Micheal Watson in one of the most gruelling British fights of all time :'(
Alot of people thought Watson was hard done by in 1st fight i thought Watson won by 2 points and in rematch he was beating Eubank badly until Eubank's lucky uppercut out of nowhere i give Eubank credit because he showed alot of determination to get up and floor Watson but i think Watson was just so damn unlucky Bilbo and i truly believe if Watson and Eubank fought 10 times at there best Watson would come out on top the Watson who fought Eubank in 2nd fight was a machine non stop he took Eubank's best and kept coming and coming that should of been Watson's night :'(
I see it as Eubank being the machine. As you say he slugged it out with Watson for 11 rounds and was on the receiving end for most of the fight and yet he outlasted and outfought Watson in the final rounds. When you win a fight by knockout it's a non debate in my mind, yes Watson was outboxing and winning the fight, just like Michael Nunn was outboxing James Toney or Meldrick Taylor was outboxing J C Chavez, but like Toney and Chavez, Eubank was just a warrior and came through in the end.
Watson was unlucky BUT he still got knocked out........brutally.
Anyway let's get back on point here, when you compare the two and ask who was the best you have to say Chris Eubank. Watson never won a world title, Eubank won two in two weight divisions and came within a gnats whisker of winning a freaking cruiserweight belt too.
Can you really see Michael Watson or Nigel Benn hanging with a prime Carl Thompson?
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
Watson was a very well rounded boxer and he could fight too. definitely had the most potential but he was sadly cut short.
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
I'm not sure about Watson. He never really impressed me until the second Eubank fight... not as much as he did others
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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I'm not sure about Watson. He never really impressed me until the second Eubank fight... not as much as he did others
He was very impressive in Benn fight and i know what you say DD all Watson had to do was hold his hands up and block Benn's punches ect ect well if it was that easy how come no one else could do it at that time ??
And i tell you what Benn hit so hard that even if Watson blocked his punches they would still hurt.
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
On their best night it would of been
Nige
Chris
Michael
Stevie
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
Eubank was a great finisher pre-1992.
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
My favourite was Benn...but I'd say he was just about the worst of the 4.
Collins was the best of the 4 IMO.
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
Benn probably made the most impact on the world scene. I really admired him and watching him at his meanest and best was awe-inspiring.
Eubank may have been the best-not a p[articularily attractive fighter to watch, he was a fantastic natural athlete and brought awareness to the fact that boxing is a very psychological sport.
Collins was never a favourite of mine although i can remember watchin lots of his fights as a kid. While th erest of the country celebrated at his wins i just watched and criticised. HaHa (jealous Donny.)
Watson-I 2wasn't aware of him during his career but i'm a fan now-what an athlete-everything a good sportsman should be!
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
Roy Jones
Herol Graham
Nigel Benn - SM improved version would have beaten Watson
Eubanks
Watson
Collins - right time right place
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
Eubank
Watson
Benn
Collins
is how i see it
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Re: Benn, Eubank, Collins and Watson. Who was the best?
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Roy Jones whips all 4 of them.
That was a bit predictable VD ........ not that you seem to have a thing against British fighters recently or anything.
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