Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
I know JuanDiaz wants a BIG NAME but why doesnt he challenge somebody in the welterweight division? He started there anyway right? ::**
He started as a Junior Welterweight. He never fought at Welterweight. And I don't think he should. As a Welterweight, I think he gets smashed.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
I know JuanDiaz wants a BIG NAME but why doesnt he challenge somebody in the welterweight division? He started there anyway right? ::**
That's silly bro. He only weighed 142 v Julio Diaz AFTER being rehydrated. Manny weighed 144,he's closer to WW!
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
I know JuanDiaz wants a BIG NAME but why doesnt he challenge somebody in the welterweight division? He started there anyway right? ::**
That's silly bro. He only weighed 142 v Julio Diaz AFTER being rehydrated. Manny weighed 144,he's closer to WW!
Ok My bad, junior welter but fact remains he's(juan) naturally bigger frame wise. Heck some folks could weigh heavier than they look because of increased lean mass like PAC but that doesnt change the fact that their bone structure are really small. I could weigh about 180 lbs and do 18 reps full chin ups and run pretty good and look solid but that doesnt mean I can fight a natural 180 pounder.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
Thing is he's kinda tubby where he is so what could you expect at welter ;D
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
How would Juan hit harder then Manny he hits like a feather weight Juan one of the weakest hitters i have ever seen in lightweight his power is like a featherweight power at best and if he went up he would get crushed as VD pointed out he is now the weakest fighter i have ever seen it i used to think it was Paulie but no Juan was just as weak so i do not think strengh would be a facter i think Pac is as stronger then Juan even though he is the lighter weight just some thoughts
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
Not be be rude it be a tough fight but it would not because Juan power because he has none in my veiw i will wait to see if i am wrong
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
Juan calling out Manny should get the same harsh criticism that Jermain got for calling out Kaseem and Cory. You don't call out smaller fighters that have a good chance of slowing down when they come up to your weight. At least Oscar went down to see Floyd and Shane went down to see Miguel. The most sensible fight right now for Juan is either David or Joel. The most sensible fight right now for Manny is Joan or Edwin. Those questions should be answered for those two fighters before their names get put in the same question.
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Well the difference is Pacman is a pound for pound top ten and a different level then Ouma and Spinks
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by MistaDibbs
Juan calling out Manny should get the same harsh criticism that Jermain got for calling out Kaseem and Cory. You don't call out smaller fighters that have a good chance of slowing down when they come up to your weight. At least Oscar went down to see Floyd and Shane went down to see Miguel. The most sensible fight right now for Juan is either David or Joel. The most sensible fight right now for Manny is Joan or Edwin. Those questions should be answered for those two fighters before their names get put in the same question.
There;s a 5 pound difference and Manny outweighed Juan in their last fights?! So what the the heck are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
Stop using excuses,it makes you sound petty. Morales boxed and beat Manny the first time,cut or no cut.The fight followed the same pattern before and after the cut.What is it with you Manny fans,1 fight it's the glove,then it's his socks,then it's cuts,I don't know if you know but this is a part of boxing,the hurt game.Manny is not the only fighter to have been cut in a fight. ::** ::** And just as you are using all these excuses,I could just as easily use the "Morales was weight drained" for the second fight.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
the 2nd manny-eric fight ?
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by MistaDibbs
Juan calling out Manny should get the same harsh criticism that Jermain got for calling out Kaseem and Cory. You don't call out smaller fighters that have a good chance of slowing down when they come up to your weight. At least Oscar went down to see Floyd and Shane went down to see Miguel. The most sensible fight right now for Juan is either David or Joel. The most sensible fight right now for Manny is Joan or Edwin. Those questions should be answered for those two fighters before their names get put in the same question.
There;s a 5 pound difference and Manny outweighed Juan in their last fights?! So what the the heck are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
Stop using excuses,it makes you sound petty. Morales boxed and beat Manny the first time,cut or no cut.The fight followed the same pattern before and after the cut.What is it with you Manny fans,1 fight it's the glove,then it's his socks,then it's cuts,I don't know if you know but this is a part of boxing,the hurt game.Manny is not the only fighter to have been cut in a fight. ::** ::** And just as you are using all these excuses,I could just as easily use the "Morales was weight drained" for the second fight.
The first fight was so close Gamo that the cut really matters. I've watched it again and again. I would suggest that you also watch it again. Then watch the second fight (Pacman vs Morales 2) and you'll notice that I have a point regarding the cut.Am not making excuses coz PAcquaio had proven already that he's the best in the superfeatherweight. I was trying to make a point that a Pacquiao who is not distracted would win over Diaz.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
the 2nd manny-eric fight ?
Yes Tam. The 2nd fight between Pacman and Morales was so exciting. As a PAcquaio fan, that was the most exciting fight of Pacquaio.
Re: Juan Diaz: Bring on Pacquiao!
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by MistaDibbs
Juan calling out Manny should get the same harsh criticism that Jermain got for calling out Kaseem and Cory. You don't call out smaller fighters that have a good chance of slowing down when they come up to your weight. At least Oscar went down to see Floyd and Shane went down to see Miguel. The most sensible fight right now for Juan is either David or Joel. The most sensible fight right now for Manny is Joan or Edwin. Those questions should be answered for those two fighters before their names get put in the same question.
There;s a 5 pound difference and Manny outweighed Juan in their last fights?! So what the the heck are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Manny would win this with a hard faught decision. Juan is good, but manny just has that something else. He brings so much into every fight and i cant actually see him losing again.
Juan hits harder at a higher weight. He throws constant punches. I know Pac does the same but I think his flaws would be found out against a guy that just keeps coming.
Are you trying to say manny pac doesnt hit hard? He stopped Eric Morales, an all time mexican great in 3 rounds. He might have been over but thats a bloody acheviement. Manny keeps coming forward as well, i think hes improved a lot and throwing both the right and left hands now would put JMM in more trouble because i know hes got a lot better, as for JMM hes still amazing, but i dont think hes improved THAT much since there last fight.
If you read what I said again, you'll see I said "Pac does the same". He hits hard...but I think Juan would hit harder at the weight. I see the fight being alot like Morales-Pac I. Pac would give it his all but come up short.
So many factors to consider in Morales vs Pac 1. 1st, Pac had a bad cut during that fight. Joe Cortez called it legal cut when in fact there was a headbutt. I've watched again the fight and Pacquaio was truly distracted with only one eye in the fight (blood was all over). 2nd, pac was forced to use the winning gloves instead of his cleto reyes gloves. That affected his effectiveness.I suggest, you watch the 2nd fight when everything was fair. That's the Pac that Diaz will be facing. If you don't have the fight, i can post it for you.
Stop using excuses,it makes you sound petty. Morales boxed and beat Manny the first time,cut or no cut.The fight followed the same pattern before and after the cut.What is it with you Manny fans,1 fight it's the glove,then it's his socks,then it's cuts,I don't know if you know but this is a part of boxing,the hurt game.Manny is not the only fighter to have been cut in a fight. ::** ::** And just as you are using all these excuses,I could just as easily use the "Morales was weight drained" for the second fight.
The first fight was so close Gamo that the cut really matters. I've watched it again and again. I would suggest that you also watch it again. Then watch the second fight (Pacman vs Morales 2) and you'll notice that I have a point regarding the cut.Am not making excuses coz PAcquaio had proven already that he's the best in the superfeatherweight. I was trying to make a point that a Pacquiao who is not distracted would win over Diaz.
I'm a Morales fan,I've seen that fight at least 8 times,if not more. And I didn't think the fight was that close. 116-112 for Erik,115-113 at best,but a convincing 115-113. Manny was fighting how he usually does,Erik was outboxing him,outjabbing him,outhustling him and countering him. Backing him up. That was a true,great boxing performance from Morales.
I have seen the second fight more than enough,the cut has no relevance. The difference was Manny's bodywork. And as I've said,all fighters have to come through adversity(ie cuts). Tough luck if they don't.
