Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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11-15-2007, 06:49 AM
Mr140

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

Reason being is that most of the time i can only name Hitman for LM and Real Deal for CW both not there main weights.
11-15-2007, 07:13 AM
Nium

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

When you hear a fighter say he's great and a legend, you know he's not really.

I never even heard of Hopkins until the Trinidad fight, and after that he put me to sleep in the rest of his fights. So no, he's not a great champion.

I'm not sure a 'legend' loses to Jermain Taylor twice.
11-15-2007, 07:29 AM
Mr140

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

Hey i am not Bernard's biggest fan but you got to respect a man who is a two division champion and has 20 deffences at Middle weight common sense. And yea great fighters say they are Great hello ALI was so full of him self it is not funny but man he was a legend so F*** off Nium you are just a hater starting S*** like you did with Joe. Why must you always come up with S*** starters are you really that bored my god you suck and have a sad click.
11-15-2007, 01:29 PM
DaxxKahn

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by Nium

When you hear a fighter say he's great and a legend, you know he's not really.

I never even heard of Hopkins until the Trinidad fight, and after that he put me to sleep in the rest of his fights. So no, he's not a great champion.

I'm not sure a 'legend' loses to Jermain Taylor twice.

So because YOU never heard of him before the Trinidad fight thats makes him null and void?....Because Bernard is the first to say he is a legend then that must mean he is not?....
Lets see here...By time he fought Trinidad he already had 12 defenses of the IBF title just 2 away from the all time MW record...He was IBF champion 6+years......The only real loss on his record was Roy Jones..( the debut is not something that is held against him or any other fighter assuming they have a reddeming career to follow but an expert like you would know that)....He was rated among the top fighters in the world...This before he met Trinidad...By time he lost to Taylor he had 20 defenses was undisputed MW champion not just IBF for 4+years...He had defenses against Joppy, Trinidadad, Allen, Eastmen, Hakkar, Holmes, Echols, Johnson to name a few...The losses to a much younger Taylor were not by landslides either....Then he jumps up 2 divisions at 41 yrs old and becomes the LHW ring champion!!!.....How is this not a legend here?.......

Mr140 hit it on the head perfectly....

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Hey i am not Bernard's biggest fan but you got to respect a man who is a two division champion and has 20 deffences at Middle weight common sense. And yea great fighters say they are Great hello ALI was so full of him self it is not funny but man he was a legend so F*** off Nium you are just a hater starting S*** like you did with Joe. Why must you always come up with S*** starters are you really that bored my god you suck and have a sad click.

Hopkins may be full of himself but that changes nothing!!!!.....Nium you get a an SC from me just for the assanine post....That post was for nothing but to stir up trouble.....140 heres a CC for telling this idiot he is exactly that!!
11-15-2007, 03:16 PM
Fenster

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Bernard "Details don't mean Shit" Hopkins

"If Calzaghe and Frank Warren are serious, they can cross the Red Sea and come over to the United States, because we're the best in everything we do.
"Joe Calzaghe never fought outside the UK [he has, twice], he never fought in America. I've fought in Paris, I fought in Quito, Ecuador.
"Let's see how he fights when he hasn't got 40-50,000 of his own fans behind him. To me, a great champion can go anywhere in the world, out of his comfort zone and still deliver.
"I'm not convinced [by Calzaghe], America is not convinced. Let him leave his home town and try to invade the United States and beat Bernard Hopkins, a great champion, a legend."
The Philadelphian, with a career record of 48 wins, four losses and a draw from 54 fights, added that he felt under no pressure to make the fight happen, despite the intense public and media clamour.

"I've never ducked anyone. Bernard Hopkins has beaten people that nobody else wanted to fight - Winky Wright, Antonio Tarver. I knocked out Felix Trinidad easily, Oscar de la Hoya with a body shot, I had world title 20 defences.
"If it happens it happens, if it don't it don't.
"I was sat at home in my rocking chair, sipping a cup of tea, with my teeth in a glass, minding my own business.
"I'd get more attention and more out of it if I waited to fight the winner of Roy Jones-Felix Trinidad [due to take place on 19 January]."

If this really is Hopkins with these outlandish statements, then here's the rebuttal. Numbered for easy comprehension by loudmouth Philadelphia trashtalkers.

1) The Red Sea lies between Egypt and Asia. If Calzaghe crossed the red sea to fight Hopkins, it wouldn't surprise me that Hopkins gave him a false address and started running the other way.

2) "Joe Calzaghe never fought outside the UK" - as the article points out, Joe Calzaghe has fought outside the UK twice, winning both times, although not against fantastic opponents. To hear Hopkins' claims, you'd think he'd won against fantastic opposition in his overseas excursions. In France in '92, he beat a guy with a record of 8-8-1, although admittedly Hopkins was still developing at that stage. His fight in Ecuador was a draw, against Segundo Mercado, whom he would later KO in 7, and for Mercado to disappear from the radar, winning 1, drawing 1 and losing 7 of the 9 further fights he had before retirement. Hardly a glittering overseas fighting record, eh Mr Hopkins.

3) As Hopkins has surely done, Calzaghe has also fought within Britain but in the hometown of his opponents. At most, 29 of his 43 fights have taken place with Calzaghe as the home fighter (fights across Britain involving Joe, but against foreign opponents included in figures, with all other fights taking place in neutral or hostile venues. Obviously...he has only fought in front of 40-50,000 people once, in the biggest unfication fight ever to take place at Super-middleweight.

4) "He mentioned my name after the fight, I didn't mention his." - Hopkins has repeatdly mentioned the name of Calzaghe over the years, since 2002 and probably even before that. Reported by the BBC in 2002:
"Right now I'm negotiating along with Don King and Jay Larkin of Showtime," Hopkins told maxboxing.com.
"We're talking to him about two fights, maybe my mandatory defence too, which makes it a three-fight deal.
"It would be the mandatory, Harry Simon and Joe Calzaghe."
And by the way, that quote also annuls the argument that Hopkins' withdrawal from a negotiation in 2003 was bogus, because he would never fight for Don King. He admitted it himself.

5) "I'd get more attention and more out of it if I waited to fight the winner of Roy Jones-Felix Trinidad" - Utter nonsense. Although it might be an attractive fight between two legends of the game, Hopkins actually gaining some measure of revenge over a washed up Roy Jones would gain little critical acclaim, as opposed to beating a prime Calzaghe who had unified the SMW's in his previous fight.

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Anyway, on the main topic of the thread, there's no way in hell Hopkins would go in with a guy as big as Haye with his speed and power. It would just overwhelm him, in terms of size difference and the stages of their careers.

Hmm.. you pretty much got him, Rhun.

The old boy didn't just come across as a complete HYPOCRITE but an ignorant bastard.

I disagree with you slightly on point 5. Hopkins DOESN'T need Calzaghe. Hopkins DOESN'T even need to fight again. Would a match between Calzaghe-Hopkins be any bigger in America than Jones-Hopkins 2? I doubt it. If Jones beat Trinidad people will want that fight. Now, Hopkins chances of beating that impersonater that was once Roy Jones are far better than beating Calzahge.

Start underdog against the 1000 punches a fight "Englishman" ( ;)) or start favourite against the posing and pedestrian-paced old Roy Jones?
11-15-2007, 03:48 PM
superheavyrhun

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Hmm.. you pretty much got him, Rhun.

The old boy didn't just come across as a complete HYPOCRITE but an ignorant B******.

I disagree with you slightly on point 5. Hopkins DOESN'T need Calzaghe. Hopkins DOESN'T even need to fight again. Would a match between Calzaghe-Hopkins be any bigger in America than Jones-Hopkins 2? I doubt it. If Jones beat Trinidad people will want that fight. Now, Hopkins chances of beating that impersonater that was once Roy Jones are far better than beating Calzahge.

Start underdog against the 1000 punches a fight "Englishman" ( ;)) or start favourite against the posing and pedestrian-paced old Roy Jones?

Yeah, it was the two-faced-ness of Hopkins that got me in those quotes. I guess I can see your point a little about Jones-Hopkins 2, and it would bring in many casual fans who have drifted away from the sport over recent years but find the two names irresistible, but it would be more of a sideshow fight than serious competitive boxing. It's sort of like Masters tennis, where the legends come together to play each other, but as everyone is slower and older, the skills and fun are what shine through, which in my opinion is what Jones Jr v Trinidad is too.
11-15-2007, 04:09 PM
Fenster

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Hmm.. you pretty much got him, Rhun.

The old boy didn't just come across as a complete HYPOCRITE but an ignorant B******.

I disagree with you slightly on point 5. Hopkins DOESN'T need Calzaghe. Hopkins DOESN'T even need to fight again. Would a match between Calzaghe-Hopkins be any bigger in America than Jones-Hopkins 2? I doubt it. If Jones beat Trinidad people will want that fight. Now, Hopkins chances of beating that impersonater that was once Roy Jones are far better than beating Calzahge.

Start underdog against the 1000 punches a fight "Englishman" ( ;)) or start favourite against the posing and pedestrian-paced old Roy Jones?

Yeah, it was the two-faced-ness of Hopkins that got me in those quotes. I guess I can see your point a little about Jones-Hopkins 2, and it would bring in many casual fans who have drifted away from the sport over recent years but find the two names irresistible, but it would be more of a sideshow fight than serious competitive boxing. It's sort of like Masters tennis, where the legends come together to play each other, but as everyone is slower and older, the skills and fun are what shine through, which in my opinion is what Jones Jr v Trinidad is too.

Yep that's exactly what it is. Hopkins-Tarver, Hopkins-Winky, Jones-Tito all Pay-Per-View. As would Hopkins-Roy 2 be.

So the Welshman that never leaves his backyard in England is no way allowed in their club.
11-15-2007, 04:16 PM
fugaziuk

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

gotta agree - joe wound bring a hell of a lot of fans over to new york - its cheaper to get to than vegas for a start. i know for fact i would go if there was a decent ticket allocation (unlike the hatton fight)
11-15-2007, 04:18 PM
SEANIE

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by Starr

Miss me?

What if?

Well if Hay and Hopkins fought Hopkins would beat him on a way to a decision. Haye isn't exactly the most crafty fighter and his chin is a little suspect, Hopkins would outbox him on his way to a decision.

What a load of crap HAYE would knock hopkins out. He's a big cruiserweight hopkins is a small light heavyweight.
11-15-2007, 07:35 PM
Majesty

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

back in the day of true fighters people would fight people 20 pounds heavier then them and it wouldnt be as big a deal as people make it nowadays.

People say Roy Jones couldn't hang with a heavyweight, alright it was John Ruiz, but people said that the body mass would be too big despite Roy's talent being bigger.

Roy beat him.

People even said Tarver could beat Hopkins because Hopkins was weighing in at 157 and stuff for Middleweight fights.

I think Hopkins is very skillfull and would fight a very defensive and boring fight.

And I don't think people give Hopkins enough credit for how much strength he has. He is a middleweight super middleweight light heavyweight but he has the strength of a heavyweight to muscle people around, I don't think he'd do it to Haye.

But I haven't seen enough of Haye to know the kind of style he has.

But Hopkins is an all time great and if anyone could find a way to win in that kind of situation then it would be him.

And by the looks of the comments here the only way Haye would win is if he landed the one huge shot.
11-15-2007, 08:02 PM
ono

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

pooooooooooooooo

what next?

Pacman calling out Klitschko?
11-15-2007, 08:12 PM
motorcitycobra

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

Why hasn't VD commented in typical Brit hating style that BH would knock Haye out? ;)
11-15-2007, 08:38 PM
ono

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Why hasn't VD commented in typical Brit hating style that BH would knock Haye out? ;)

he's probably busy 'smacking a bitch up'
11-15-2007, 11:22 PM
superheavyrhun

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Why hasn't VD commented in typical Brit hating style that BH would knock Haye out? ;)

he's probably busy 'smacking a bitch up'

Or checkin on his hoes. They may or may not be in different area codes. And live in Ho-tels.
11-15-2007, 11:38 PM
ICB

Re: Bernard Hopkins wants david haye if?

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Originally Posted by Nium

When you hear a fighter say he's great and a legend, you know he's not really.

I never even heard of Hopkins until the Trinidad fight, and after that he put me to sleep in the rest of his fights. So no, he's not a great champion.

I'm not sure a 'legend' loses to Jermain Taylor twice.

Your an idiot Hopkins is the 3rd best Middleweight of all time.

Stick to threads about your favorite fighter Eubank and Benn because you really don't know anything outside of them DD.

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