Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by Taeth
He didn't box rings around Barios... he won a close fight there. THe point I am making is he hasn't attained that level. I think very likely he could be at an elite level, but so was Barrera the first time Pacquaio dismantled him. I think that Pacquaio makes elite fighters look bad.
Are you joking? Guzman practically won every round against an overweight Barrios. He made him look ridiculous. Watch that fight again mate.
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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you guys really shouldn't get too excited by guzman. yea he beat soto.....and? p4p top 3 contender are you kidding me? guzman prolly only has 3 fights left in him before weight issues or someone like jmm or pac puts him back in the shadows his always been in.
guzman should fight kat or valero. if he gets past those two then he can try his luck with jmm or pac. I think guzman is top soft for jmm and pac. these two are just hard mofo, jmm and pac are the only elites left. Nobody will really stand in there way except for eachother.
Guzman is number 3 at the weight.And I'm not even a fan of his. He would give both JMM and Pacman trouble with his style.And Guzman is anything but soft ???. I don't think he's ever been down and I've never seen him hurt.
Where the heck is Kkisser,seriously,he is the only Manny fan that actually knows his boxing.Most other Pacman fans start trying to diss any percieved "threat" to their fighter. Soto is a more dangerous and live opponent than MAB/Morales the third and Solis.By far and away.
why em i not suprise, el gamo quick to bash pac fans but his as bias as any other fan. thinking his opinions are always better. wow and you said soto is more dangerous than mab/morales the third and solis???????? well in your oppinion yes since pac is done with all three of them. what do you think soto will do any better then mab/em and solis? the em that fought pac the third time is the only man who has hit and beat pac the hardest. Pac just overcame him that does not mean soto is any better. well its always the same, the guys pac hasn't fought are better then the guys he has already finished off.
guzman jmm will be nice and all but pac jmm is the truth! i don't see why in the world would anybody think a fight with guzman will be any better? as old as guzman is, his still a level below jmm and pac. guzman can look good with guys like soto well thats becuase soto is nowhere near jmm or pacs level. its a whole new league with these two, guzman can't act all pretty and pose against them. They ain't soto.
Bias as any other fan?I have Manny as P4P top 3. Humberto Soto is more dangerous than faded version of MAB and Morales and Solis. If you don't think so,then you need to do some research and actually watch some fights. And where have I written that I think my opinion is better?
Although I certainly would like to think I justify my opinion more than certain posters who say fighters who have never been knocked out are too "soft" to fight other fighters. I gave Manny full credit for his wins over Morales the first 2 times,just because I don't kiss his a** when he beats faded fighters(MAB and Morales the third time) or unknowns(Solis) doesn't make me "biased".
no real point argueing. just do yourself a favor gamo and learn a few things from taeth. mab and em would of beaten anybody in the division besides pac and prolly jmm. its just the way pac beat them that makes fans like you think boxers pac hasn't fought are better. But like always after each pac fight guys like you are proven wrong and left with no choice to leave your hope on the next no-hoper that pac will beat. Jmm is who you guys should stick to, kuz ain't nobody but jmm can soundly beat pac. Its between those two really. Just kuz guzman beat soto doesn't make him suddenly in the elites. And jmm and pac are the only two elites left. Pac has taken out two of the other elites, thats why a fight with jmm is the best possible match. Any other fight for pac will be a waste of time kuz by the end of the fights pac proves guys like you wrong again. And if it wasn't jmm who he beat it would of meant nothing cause jmm is who he needs to fight and vise versa for jmm.
pac and jmm are like isreal and rafa at bantamweight. they are just a level above everyone else. guzman level wise is like caballero and valero is like de leon. Atleast it my oppinion and im sure jmm and pac will continue to prove how much above they are against the rest.
that was a perfect description of the situation at super featherweight. can someone please tell me how to CC someone cause that was a post where i would've done so?
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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you guys really shouldn't get too excited by guzman. yea he beat soto.....and? p4p top 3 contender are you kidding me? guzman prolly only has 3 fights left in him before weight issues or someone like jmm or pac puts him back in the shadows his always been in.
guzman should fight kat or valero. if he gets past those two then he can try his luck with jmm or pac. I think guzman is top soft for jmm and pac. these two are just hard mofo, jmm and pac are the only elites left. Nobody will really stand in there way except for eachother.
Guzman is number 3 at the weight.And I'm not even a fan of his. He would give both JMM and Pacman trouble with his style.And Guzman is anything but soft ???. I don't think he's ever been down and I've never seen him hurt.
Where the heck is Kkisser,seriously,he is the only Manny fan that actually knows his boxing.Most other Pacman fans start trying to diss any percieved "threat" to their fighter. Soto is a more dangerous and live opponent than MAB/Morales the third and Solis.By far and away.
why em i not suprise, el gamo quick to bash pac fans but his as bias as any other fan. thinking his opinions are always better. wow and you said soto is more dangerous than mab/morales the third and solis???????? well in your oppinion yes since pac is done with all three of them. what do you think soto will do any better then mab/em and solis? the em that fought pac the third time is the only man who has hit and beat pac the hardest. Pac just overcame him that does not mean soto is any better. well its always the same, the guys pac hasn't fought are better then the guys he has already finished off.
guzman jmm will be nice and all but pac jmm is the truth! i don't see why in the world would anybody think a fight with guzman will be any better? as old as guzman is, his still a level below jmm and pac. guzman can look good with guys like soto well thats becuase soto is nowhere near jmm or pacs level. its a whole new league with these two, guzman can't act all pretty and pose against them. They ain't soto.
Bias as any other fan?I have Manny as P4P top 3. Humberto Soto is more dangerous than faded version of MAB and Morales and Solis. If you don't think so,then you need to do some research and actually watch some fights. And where have I written that I think my opinion is better?
Although I certainly would like to think I justify my opinion more than certain posters who say fighters who have never been knocked out are too "soft" to fight other fighters. I gave Manny full credit for his wins over Morales the first 2 times,just because I don't kiss his a** when he beats faded fighters(MAB and Morales the third time) or unknowns(Solis) doesn't make me "biased".
no real point argueing. just do yourself a favor gamo and learn a few things from taeth. mab and em would of beaten anybody in the division besides pac and prolly jmm. its just the way pac beat them that makes fans like you think boxers pac hasn't fought are better. But like always after each pac fight guys like you are proven wrong and left with no choice to leave your hope on the next no-hoper that pac will beat. Jmm is who you guys should stick to, kuz ain't nobody but jmm can soundly beat pac. Its between those two really. Just kuz guzman beat soto doesn't make him suddenly in the elites. And jmm and pac are the only two elites left. Pac has taken out two of the other elites, thats why a fight with jmm is the best possible match. Any other fight for pac will be a waste of time kuz by the end of the fights pac proves guys like you wrong again. And if it wasn't jmm who he beat it would of meant nothing cause jmm is who he needs to fight and vise versa for jmm.
pac and jmm are like isreal and rafa at bantamweight. they are just a level above everyone else. guzman level wise is like caballero and valero is like de leon. Atleast it my oppinion and im sure jmm and pac will continue to prove how much above they are against the rest.
that was a perfect description of the situation at super featherweight. can someone please tell me how to CC someone cause that was a post where i would've done so?
Once you hit 100 posts you get the ability to coolclick ;)
Re: F*** Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Pacquiao-Marquez II is the biggest fight that could be made in all of boxing. Only Mayweather-Cotto could match it.
Pac-Mayweather would be bigger than any of these. There's no good reason for it not to happen either (other than Arum protecting Pac) -- those two have weighed far less than a weight class apart in in-the-ring weight for their last 4-5 fights.
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
Pac has things to clean up at Super-Feather. I do not, for one second believe he and JMM are a level above Guzman. All it needs is for Pac or JMM to accept a challenge for that statement to be true.
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
to be honest i want pacman and marquez to fight to get it over with. im sick of hearing people go on about the two of them
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by ds91
to be honest i want pacman and marquez to fight to get it over with. im sick of hearing people go on about the two of them
I agree Marquez/ Pacquiao should be next as it's been a long time coming!!! But if Pacquiao is looking at David Diaz then I for one would want to see Marquez/ Guzman.
IMO Pacquiao needs to fight one of these guys next before moving up. The Marquez fight would be for the vacant 130 pound championship. I wonder if the Ring would recognize the winner of a Pacquiao/ Guzman fight as champion?
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
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Originally Posted by ds91
to be honest i want pacman and marquez to fight to get it over with. im sick of hearing people go on about the two of them
I agree Marquez/ Pacquiao should be next as it's been a long time coming!!! But if Pacquiao is looking at David Diaz then I for one would want to see Marquez/ Guzman.
IMO Pacquiao needs to fight one of these guys next before moving up. The Marquez fight would be for the vacant 130 pound championship. I wonder if the Ring would recognize the winner of a Pacquiao/ Guzman fight as champion?
right now jmm is the champion even though pac is recognize as the best at the weight. There is nothing more important than a pac versus jmm rematch. If either fighter fights guzman before hand by the end of the fight it would of mean nothing other then guzman being defeated and cast away in the shadows again.
Re: F$#& Pacquiao...I'd rather see JMM vs. Guzman
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
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Originally Posted by Galaxy.
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Originally Posted by ds91
to be honest i want pacman and marquez to fight to get it over with. im sick of hearing people go on about the two of them
I agree Marquez/ Pacquiao should be next as it's been a long time coming!!! But if Pacquiao is looking at David Diaz then I for one would want to see Marquez/ Guzman.
IMO Pacquiao needs to fight one of these guys next before moving up. The Marquez fight would be for the vacant 130 pound championship. I wonder if the Ring would recognize the winner of a Pacquiao/ Guzman fight as champion?
right now jmm is the champion even though pac is recognize as the best at the weight. There is nothing more important than a pac versus jmm rematch. If either fighter fights guzman before hand by the end of the fight it would of mean nothing other then guzman being defeated and cast away in the shadows again.
Marquez ain't champion. The Jr. L title is vacant. Pacquiao is ranked #1 & Marquez #2 by Ring magazine. I agree that a Pacquiao/ Marquez fight should happen 1st but in some instances the Ring will recognize the winner of a fight between #1 & #3 as champion.
I feel Pacquiao will move to 135 to face David Diaz so maybe Marquez can face Guzman for the championship!
