Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
No, EG, PAcquaio is not reluctant to fight JMM. It just happened that Pacquaio's camp is trying to make a negotiation with Diaz as Marquez had been playing hard. PAcquaio was ready to fight MArquez.In fact, he tried to negotiate with MArquez FIRST. According to PAcquaio's camp, Marquez had been asking too much before.That's why they decided to negotiate with Diaz. Now that PAcquaio seems to be getting well with Diaz' camp, Marquez is making a noise.
People are now making conclusions that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez. Let's be fair here.Like what I am saying again and again, I want it to be Pacquaio vs. Marquez 2 this coming March but if it will not happen, it can be done within this year. Marquez will not become too much older after , say, 4- 5 months. Meaning, this fight can wait for 8 months. It will be better for both fighters as more people will be clamoring for it.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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No, EG, PAcquaio is not reluctant to fight JMM. It just happened that Pacquaio's camp is trying to make a negotiation with Diaz as Marquez had been playing hard. PAcquaio was ready to fight MArquez.In fact, he tried to negotiate with MArquez FIRST. According to PAcquaio's camp, Marquez had been asking too much before.That's why they decided to negotiate with Diaz. Now that PAcquaio seems to be getting well with Diaz' camp, Marquez is making a noise.
People are now making conclusions that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez. Let's be fair here.Like what I am saying again and again, I want it to be Pacquaio vs. Marquez 2 this coming March but if it will not happen, it can be done within this year. Marquez will not become too much older after , say, 4- 5 months. Meaning, this fight can wait for 8 months. It will be better for both fighters as more people will be clamoring for it.
If Pac gets paid $3m to fight Barrera, and Barrera gets paid the same...Marquez...the guy that drew with Pacquiao and beat Barrera in Barrera's fight before Pac deserves to be paid a minimum of $3m. I'm sorry, but HBO would be willing to put the cash up for a fight most fans demand should happen. They'd make alot of money from PPV buys.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
No, EG, PAcquaio is not reluctant to fight JMM. It just happened that Pacquaio's camp is trying to make a negotiation with Diaz as Marquez had been playing hard. PAcquaio was ready to fight MArquez.In fact, he tried to negotiate with MArquez FIRST. According to PAcquaio's camp, Marquez had been asking too much before.That's why they decided to negotiate with Diaz. Now that PAcquaio seems to be getting well with Diaz' camp, Marquez is making a noise.
People are now making conclusions that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez. Let's be fair here.Like what I am saying again and again, I want it to be Pacquaio vs. Marquez 2 this coming March but if it will not happen, it can be done within this year. Marquez will not become too much older after , say, 4- 5 months. Meaning, this fight can wait for 8 months. It will be better for both fighters as more people will be clamoring for it.
You didn't answer any of the questions I posed in this post,you didn't bring up any new points either:
I'm not saying the fight is NOT going to happen but Manny is certainly doing EVERYTHING he can to delay the fight. For what reason?Who knows?To see JMM grow older?To see JMM have to fight Guzman and possibly lose?
He wants the majority of the purse,he got it.He wants the most money from his next fight,no fight is bigger than the JMM fight.He wants the fight at 135,JMM said yes. What more does he want?¬Doesn't matter how you look at it,Manny is relucant to take this fight.
And saying they can wait another 8 months is really stupid. JMM is not young,you think inactivity is going to help him?And if he doesnt fight Manny in March,people are going to want to see him v Guzman,a fight which he could lose,therefore the Manny fight will never happen. Seriosuly,I wouldn't mind if you were making legit reasons but the reasons you've given,some of hich I have highlighted,are very very poor. They don't even make sense. How is the fight going to be bigger the longer they wait? ::** ??? If anything,the hype will die down.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
ehh we will just have to see again pac beating his opponent all of whom have poured their hopes on. Just go ahead and keep talking eventually be mourning again for another defeated pac oppenent and the fact that pac is better then what have been denied over and over again.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
ehh we will just have to see again pac beating his opponent all of whom have poured their hopes on. Just go ahead and keep talking eventually be mourning again for another defeated pac oppenent and the fact that pac is better then what have been denied over and over again.
Nobody here has made a point of saying Marquez will win the fight. I'm not posting here saying "Marquez will kick the shit out of Pacquiao." It's not about that. It's his stalling on making this fight. Pacquiao hasn't had a meaningful fight in 2007, we're all asking for one in 2008. It seems the only thing holding up this fight is Manny. In all of this thread, you've failed to argue that Pac wants this fight.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Julius "Marvelous" Rain
ehh we will just have to see again pac beating his opponent all of whom have poured their hopes on. Just go ahead and keep talking eventually be mourning again for another defeated pac oppenent and the fact that pac is better then what have been denied over and over again.
Nobody here has made a point of saying Marquez will win the fight. I'm not posting here saying "Marquez will kick the shit out of Pacquiao." It's not about that. It's his stalling on making this fight. Pacquiao hasn't had a meaningful fight in 2007, we're all asking for one in 2008. It seems the only thing holding up this fight is Manny. In all of this thread, you've failed to argue that Pac wants this fight.
I wish I could CC you more often.I have not written JMM will kick Manny's ass either,I just want to see the fight. I acknowledge Manny is the favourite but I'll be rotting for JMM and like you said,I want to see Manny in a meaningful,2007 has been poor for him imo. And totally spot on,I've not seen 1 well thought out argument,point or besides indicating that Manny wants to fight JMM.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
yea the excess post after post of trying to prove pac is ducking jmm isn't any indication of silly fans still despret to find a con in pacs credential. I mean its always been this way, i guess its true the better you are the better haters or doubters will try to find some shyt to say to try to argue a point in which at time is a shot at a fighter when in reality its the sadden truth of a few poor fans wanting back bragging rights against the opposite fan since its been so long they've been any where near right when it came to the fighter spoken of.
Yea you guys haven't really said jmm will beat pac, well thats prolly becuase you guys know it should be about time pac is given respect. REaL talk, some peeps just never learn though. The fight does need to happen, trying to say its pac or jmms fault for it not happening is a waste of time I understand that now.
Imma just wait til the fight finally does happen and enjoy another pac victory.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
To further my point,Bob Arum(at Boxing Scene) said JMM had been [i]"very Reasonable" in negotiations."Arum said that he is prepared “to lay out both guys (Marquez and WBC lightweight champion David Diaz) and whoever he (Pacquiao) wants to fight, he can fight....Marquez agreed to make concessions on his purse and even go up in weight to fight Pacquiao.”[/i]
Arum conceded “obviously the bigger fight is Marquez.”
So,AGAIN,JMM IS the fight to make.If it doesn't get made,we will all know why ;)
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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To further my point,Bob Arum(at Boxing Scene) said JMM had been [i]"very Reasonable" in negotiations."Arum said that he is prepared “to lay out both guys (Marquez and WBC lightweight champion David Diaz) and whoever he (Pacquiao) wants to fight, he can fight....Marquez agreed to make concessions on his purse and even go up in weight to fight Pacquiao.”[/i]
Arum conceded “obviously the bigger fight is Marquez.”
So,AGAIN,JMM IS the fight to make.If it doesn't get made,we will all know why ;)
cc Gamo & there it is. Whats the problem? Make the fight. I thought Juarez & Barrera was a lead up Marquez/ Pacquiao 2, everything was falling into place. Now all Manny needs to do is agree to fight!
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
pac will be the one to ultimately decide between marquez and diaz and i wouldn't diss him until the decision is made. we should all just wait. i still think it will be marquez.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
If Pac moves up to 135, then I don't blame him for fighting the worst of the champs (David Diaz), because most fighters don't jump right in and take on the top guy when they go to a new weight class. They usually take on an easier guy first before going after the top guy (Juan Diaz).
But, Pac really needs to fight Marquez at 130 before he thinks about going to lightweight. So basically what I'm saying is... I wouldn't criticize Pac for fighting David Diaz instead of Juan Diaz, but I would criticize him for fighting David Diaz instead of Marquez. Does that make sense?
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
cc for that KKisser. Let us just wait 'til it happens. Claiming that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez is way disrespectful of Pacquaio. Let's not be making accusations here. In truth and in fact, PAcquaio will fight Marquez anytime and anywhere...... and most probably he will win over Marquez. However, there are things also that must be considered (for example, the pay and the cut the fighters receive).
Marquez only agreed lately. Before, he was insistent of getting the same share or whatever share he wants (which pacquaio's camp did not agree with). When Pacquaio's camp went to the Diaz' camp and when everything seems to be settled, Marquez is now claiming he will abide with whatever Pacquaio's camp wanted.It could be a little late already as PAcquaio and Diaz may have agreed already on fighting.
EG, PAcquaio is not the one who delayed things. It was Marquez.Now regarding Marquez fighting Guzman, I really believe Marquez has a higher chance of winning against Guzman than winning against Pacquaio.Therefore, it will even be better for Marquez to fight Guzman first ( and win) to make his fight with Pacquaio more interesting.Did you get my point now?
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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cc for that KKisser. Let us just wait 'til it happens. Claiming that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez is way disrespectful of Pacquaio. Let's not be making accusations here. In truth and in fact, PAcquaio will fight Marquez anytime and anywhere...... and most probably he will win over Marquez. However, there are things also that must be considered (for example, the pay and the cut the fighters receive).
Marquez only agreed lately. Before, he was insistent of getting the same share or whatever share he wants (which pacquaio's camp did not agree with). When Pacquaio's camp went to the Diaz' camp and when everything seems to be settled, Marquez is now claiming he will abide with whatever Pacquaio's camp wanted.It could be a little late already as PAcquaio and Diaz may have agreed already on fighting.
EG, PAcquaio is not the one who delayed things. It was Marquez.Now regarding Marquez fighting Guzman, I really believe Marquez has a higher chance of winning against Guzman than winning against Pacquaio.Therefore, it will even be better for Marquez to fight Guzman first ( and win) to make his fight with Pacquaio more interesting.Did you get my point now?
Deng Bruce! Good point.
How are yah bro? How y'all doing? It's been months.
Can't wait to see mah boi Pac win again. I really do hope he would fight Marquez again.
Peace out from PI!
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
cc for that KKisser. Let us just wait 'til it happens. Claiming that Pacquaio is ducking Marquez is way disrespectful of Pacquaio. Let's not be making accusations here. In truth and in fact, PAcquaio will fight Marquez anytime and anywhere...... and most probably he will win over Marquez. However, there are things also that must be considered (for example, the pay and the cut the fighters receive).
Marquez only agreed lately. Before, he was insistent of getting the same share or whatever share he wants (which pacquaio's camp did not agree with). When Pacquaio's camp went to the Diaz' camp and when everything seems to be settled, Marquez is now claiming he will abide with whatever Pacquaio's camp wanted.It could be a little late already as PAcquaio and Diaz may have agreed already on fighting.
EG, PAcquaio is not the one who delayed things. It was Marquez.Now regarding Marquez fighting Guzman, I really believe Marquez has a higher chance of winning against Guzman than winning against Pacquaio.Therefore, it will even be better for Marquez to fight Guzman first ( and win) to make his fight with Pacquaio more interesting.Did you get my point now?
It makes sense. And it also means that that should JMM beat Guzman that Pac by no means deserves to receive the larger purse. Which only means the fight does not take place in 2008 or perhaps ever. It appears the Pac camp opponent criteria is: Have a marque name and possess mileage or rebounding from a loss (or both). The boxing community has had it's fill and simply wants him to fight deserving in their prime opponents such as JMM, Guzman or Valero.
Re: Looks like Pacquiao is going to fight David Diaz in March-thoughts?
ok, a news article written by pac himself just came out entitled "Hindi Ako Takot Kay Marquez" *(I'm not afraid of Marquez). in it he says:
"Bakit naman ako maduwag? Mula na maging boxer ako, wala akong inurungang laban, kahit sino basta katimbang lang, fight ako. I am a boxer and my job is to fight. (Why would I be afraid? Ever since I became a boxer I never backed away from any fight, I'll fight anybody as long as the weight is the same. I'm a boxer and my job is to fight.)
‘Yun kay Marquez darating tayo diyan, inaayos lang ang mga bagay-bagay para matuloy ang rematch namin. Kaya nga may negotiation para maisaayos ang lahat. (Regarding Marquez, we'll get there, everything is just being negotiated so that the fight will push through.)
Hindi ba mas maganda rin na kapag naglaban kami na pareho kaming champion?" (Isn't it better that we're both champions when we face each other?)
so, that's it folks. even without the formal announcement, in most probability diaz would be it. manny will try to take his belt first so that both him and JMM are champions for the rematch.
*translated by kkisser
