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Also Chavez did not fight old against Taylor or Whitaker, and during that Taylor period I felt he was his strongest of his entire career. I believe Oscar would have beaten Chavez at any point in his career because Oscar is a great fighter, and his style, his jab, would have given Chavez fits at any point in his career. I am not one who thinks these guys who come forward intelligently can't have long careers. THere were many points where people thought Duran's career was over only to have him KO guys who were supposed to steem role him. I think Chavez was still a dangerous fighter when he fought Oscar, but he wasn't good enough, and might have never been to beat Oscar's style.
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Am i the only one who thinks Oscar would smash Floyd at 130 ???
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Am i the only one who thinks Oscar would smash Floyd at 130 ???
Yes you are ;)
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Am i the only one who thinks Oscar would smash Floyd at 130 ???
Yes you are ;)
Not experienced enough at the weight is a case against it but aside from that Oscar was a beast at 130.
Far more of a threat than Chico at least.
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Am i the only one who thinks Oscar would smash Floyd at 130 ???
Yes you are ;)
Not experienced enough at the weight is a case against it but aside from that Oscar was a beast at 130.
Far more of a threat than Chico at least.
Mayweather was also a beast at 130 he was boxer/puncher at that weight he had alot of power and blinding speed it would of been alot more entertaining than there fight at Lightmiddleweight though ;)
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But Chico didn't stand a chance. I think that Oscar would have had one problem he didn't have in their fight at 154 was that his chin, or his legs, weren't even close to as good as they became, and Mayweather was so much faster at 130 than he was at 154 especially in his legs. I think the speed difference might have actually been greater at 130 than it was at 154 especially from what Gernaro was saying and their fights with him. People said that Oscar should have thrown his jab more when he fought MAyweather but at the lower weights it was dangerous to throw that jab against Mayweather because he was so quick he could lean back out of its reach and come over top with a hard right hand. Mayweather at 130 was as complete a package as anyone has ever been, he could fight on the inside, on the outside, he had good power, a great chin, amazing technique, and speed like you've never seen.
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But Chico didn't stand a chance. I think that Oscar would have had one problem he didn't have in their fight at 154 was that his chin, or his legs, weren't even close to as good as they became, and Mayweather was so much faster at 130 than he was at 154 especially in his legs. I think the speed difference might have actually been greater at 130 than it was at 154 especially from what Gernaro was saying and their fights with him. People said that Oscar should have thrown his jab more when he fought MAyweather but at the lower weights it was dangerous to throw that jab against Mayweather because he was so quick he could lean back out of its reach and come over top with a hard right hand. Mayweather at 130 was as complete a package as anyone has ever been, he could fight on the inside, on the outside, he had good power, a great chin, amazing technique, and speed like you've never seen.
I have always said Mayweather was pretty much unbeatable at Superfeatherweight Chavez was throwing like 100+ and 90+ punches in there fight and he was landing in single digits most of the time thats amazing.
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And when he fought Chico among other opponents Mayweahter could get in and get out so quickly, but not just that he would move from like 4 feet out to get in, and get all the way back out there quicker than most guys cover the normal arms length to get in and out. His footspeed was incredible. However, I don't think he's gotten worse, Mayweather has just adapted and he's more defensive now because he has to be.
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Am i the only one who thinks Oscar would smash Floyd at 130 ???
Yes Floyd engaged at lower weights and was faster then Oscar... Oscar would get out boxed!
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I will assume that the older matchups are all 15 rd fights.
The newer matchups are 12 rd fights.
PBF vs. Arguello - Alexis wins this one by late TKO
PBF vs. Azumah - Azumha all the way here by Decision
PBF vs. Morales - PBF by a landslide
PBF vs. MAB - PBF in a close fight decision by like 2 rounds
PBF vs. PAC - PAC wins this via SD
PBF vs. ODLH - PBF by UD, pretty comfortable.
PBF vs. JMM - PBF by MD, very close call here.
PBF vs. JCC - PBF by UD.
The thought that people are using the MTaylor fight as reference to how a PBF vs. JCC fight would go is pretty amazing. I mean right off the bat I can tell you it was at 2 div. up from what these potential matchups are taking place. That's like me saying MAB would beat PBF because look how ODLH jab landed against him and we all know how great of a jab MAB so there. MAB wins because of that, not taking into consideration it was at another weight.
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I will assume that the older matchups are all 15 rd fights.
The newer matchups are 12 rd fights.
PBF vs. Arguello - Alexis wins this one by late TKO
PBF vs. Azumah - Azumha all the way here by Decision
PBF vs. Morales - PBF by a landslide
PBF vs. MAB - PBF in a close fight decision by like 2 rounds
PBF vs. PAC - PAC wins this via SD
PBF vs. ODLH - PBF by UD, pretty comfortable.
PBF vs. JMM - PBF by MD, very close call here.
PBF vs. JCC - PBF by UD.
The thought that people are using the MTaylor fight as reference to how a PBF vs. JCC fight would go is pretty amazing. I mean right off the bat I can tell you it was at 2 div. up from what these potential matchups are taking place. That's like me saying MAB would beat PBF because look how ODLH jab landed against him and we all know how great of a jab MAB so there. MAB wins because of that, not taking into consideration it was at another weight.
Arguello struggled badly with the movement of Ruben Olivares who is a great fighter but is not in the league of Mayweather when it comes to speed i would be curious to know how you think Arguello would beat Mayweather.
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I will assume that the older matchups are all 15 rd fights.
The newer matchups are 12 rd fights.
PBF vs. Arguello - Alexis wins this one by late TKO
PBF vs. Azumah - Azumha all the way here by Decision
PBF vs. Morales - PBF by a landslide
PBF vs. MAB - PBF in a close fight decision by like 2 rounds
PBF vs. PAC - PAC wins this via SD
PBF vs. ODLH - PBF by UD, pretty comfortable.
PBF vs. JMM - PBF by MD, very close call here.
PBF vs. JCC - PBF by UD.
The thought that people are using the MTaylor fight as reference to how a PBF vs. JCC fight would go is pretty amazing. I mean right off the bat I can tell you it was at 2 div. up from what these potential matchups are taking place. That's like me saying MAB would beat PBF because look how ODLH jab landed against him and we all know how great of a jab MAB so there. MAB wins because of that, not taking into consideration it was at another weight.
Arguello struggled badly with the movement of Ruben Olivares who is a great fighter but is not in the league of Mayweather when it comes to speed i would be curious to know how you think Arguello would beat Mayweather.
Again as I just said about JCC-PBF, you are using fights that took place elsewhere but at the weight we are talking about.
That's like me telling you that Alexis precise and offensive style would work perfect being that JLC pressure fighting without it being much precise gave PBF loads of problems.
Now if you would have told me that Alexis struggled with Vilomars footwork how would he deal with PBFs then you'd have a case there.
Anyway....
To me Alexis & Finito are quite possibly the closest thing to perfection in the ring. More times then often if theirs a potential matchup I always side with Alexis. He wasn't perfect but sure as hell is the closest thing I've seen to it. The power & skill that Alexis carried then was just amazing and I feel that it would enough to stop PBF late in the fight.
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Ok since you don't me using arguement's about fights taking place in different weight class how about Ruben Castillo ?? Castillo gave Arguello alot of problems with speed and yet again Mayweather is x2 faster than Castillo and is much better than Castillo in every department. And i don't agree Arguello was far from unbeatable at Superfeatherweight he had problem's with fast fighter's Arguello was very accurate puncher and picked his shots beautifully but Mayweather is too good on defense and is much too fast for Arguello imo.
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Ok since you don't me using arguement's about fights taking place in different weight class how about Ruben Castillo ?? Castillo gave Arguello alot of problems with speed and yet again Mayweather is x2 faster than Castillo and is much better than Castillo in every department.
Castillo gave Alexis problems with speed?
Are you serious? Castillo was not a handspeed kinda fighter Castillo was too patient in all of his fights then every now and then he'd turn it up but for the most part he wasnt a handspeed fighter. I'm curious now if you've seen the fight. Castillo was a good fighter but again far from speed Castillo was even wild at times and ackward he wasted energy trying to land the big punches. Which oddly enough became his dismay when he fought Sanchez. Castillio gave Alexis, Sanchez, JCC & LaPorte all he could handle Alexis fighting him at his best stopped him while Sanchez & LaPorte went the distance.
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And i don't agree Arguello was far from unbeatable at Superfeatherweight.
If you can direct me to where I posted that Alexis was unbeatable I'd like to see that, so that I could slap myslef in the face for posting that.
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He had problem's with fast fighter's Arguello was very accurate puncher and picked his shots beautifully but Mayweather is too good on defense and is much too fast for Arguello imo.
Speed can be topped with timing someone like Alexis who was a master at precise punching with the right amount of power in each shot could just as well land the turning point shot. Mayweathers defense is great today but let's keep in mind this rolling with the shoulders defense wasn't full developed yet at that time when he fought at SFW.
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Ok since you don't me using arguement's about fights taking place in different weight class how about Ruben Castillo ?? Castillo gave Arguello alot of problems with speed and yet again Mayweather is x2 faster than Castillo and is much better than Castillo in every department.
Castillo gave Alexis problems with speed?
Are you serious? Castillo was not a handspeed kinda fighter Castillo was too patient in all of his fights then every now and then he'd turn it up but for the most part he wasnt a handspeed fighter. I'm curious now if you've seen the fight. Castillo was a good fighter but again far from speed Castillo was even wild at times and ackward he wasted energy trying to land the big punches. Which oddly enough became his dismay when he fought Sanchez. Castillio gave Alexis, Sanchez, JCC & LaPorte all he could handle Alexis fighting him at his best stopped him while Sanchez & LaPorte went the distance.
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And i don't agree Arguello was far from unbeatable at Superfeatherweight.
If you can direct me to where I posted that Alexis was unbeatable I'd like to see that, so that I could slap myslef in the face for posting that.
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He had problem's with fast fighter's Arguello was very accurate puncher and picked his shots beautifully but Mayweather is too good on defense and is much too fast for Arguello imo.
Speed can be topped with timing someone like Alexis who was a master at precise punching with the right amount of power in each shot could just as well land the turning point shot. Mayweathers defense is great today but let's keep in mind this rolling with the shoulders defense wasn't full developed yet at that time when he fought at SFW.
Castillo gave Alexis problems with speed?
Are you serious? Castillo was not a handspeed kinda fighter Castillo was too patient in all of his fights then every now and then he'd turn it up but for the most part he wasnt a handspeed fighter. I'm curious now if you've seen the fight. Castillo was a good fighter but again far from speed Castillo was even wild at times and ackward he wasted energy trying to land the big punches. Which oddly enough became his dismay when he fought Sanchez. Castillio gave Alexis, Sanchez, JCC & LaPorte all he could handle Alexis fighting him at his best stopped him while Sanchez & LaPorte went the distance.
I haven't seen the fight for years but if i remember right Castillo did fight with speed and gave Arguello problems and it was pretty much even going into 11th until Arguello stopped Castiilo i will download it tomorrow and watch it in a few days i need to refresh. Castillo did give Sanchez a good fight i remember that clearly but he faded in later stages and that gave Sanchez the decision.
If you can direct me to where I posted that Alexis was unbeatable I'd like to see that, so that I could slap myslef in the face for posting that.
To me Alexis & Finito are quite possibly the closest thing to perfection in the ring. More times then often if theirs a potential matchup I always side with Alexis. He wasn't perfect but sure as hell is the closest thing I've seen to it. The power & skill that Alexis carried then was just amazing and I feel that it would enough to stop PBF late in the fight.
This was posted by you i thought you meant he was almost unbeatable when you said perfection but i must of got the wrong end of the stick my mistake.
Speed can be topped with timing someone like Alexis who was a master at precise punching with the right amount of power in each shot could just as well land the turning point shot. Mayweathers defense is great today but let's keep in mind this rolling with the shoulders defense wasn't full developed yet at that time when he fought at SFW.
Yes it can i agree.
Mayweathers defense is great today but let's keep in mind this rolling with the shoulders defense wasn't full developed yet at that time when he fought at SFW.
I agree but Mayweather's reflexes were also faster back then and he had alot of power at that weight plus he is more defensive minded now because he has to be because he moved up in weight.
