Re: Thoughts on Floyds and Ricky's performances?
Let me just summarize what I stated in two or three posts right before the fight, and what actually happened. I said that:
1) that ability of Hatton to take Floyd's punches was crucial for him to have any chance of winning - but obviously he didn't have that;
2) that Mayweather had trouble with pressure fighters - when Hatton pressured him on first few rounds, Floyd had some problems; it exposed one major flaw in Floyd; but Hatton spent most of his energy in the process that he did't have much left after that;
3) that Hatton should fight on the inside (swarming) - but the fight showed that Hatton doesn't know how to fight on the inside! and with that, his offense crumbled; instead of continuously attacking, he let out few shots at a time and held on to Floyd immediately after; obviously Hatton is an outside fighter, but with a huge reach disadvantage, that wouldn't have worked with Floyd, which he didn't do anyway, at least after the first few rounds;
It was obvious that Floyd was just too big for Hatton. Even his fans concede that Floyd isn't a big puncher at higher weights, but for naturally smaller Hatton, Floyd's punches were big. Though Floyd did masterfully handle Hatton at the later rounds, Hatton seemed a bit spent by that time. The fight did expose Floyd's major weakness; that is, his problem handling pressure offense. I wonder what would have happened if that kind of pressure came from a bigger fighter. Is this the possible reason why he is said to be avoiding (sorry about the term, I'm just being polite) some fighters? Are those fighters, Margarito, Cotto etc. pressure fighters? I'm just asking because I haven't seen any of them fight yet.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple
Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**
After he beats him....who's next?
It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.
I don't think many people question Floyd's talent, but if he wants to be considered the greatest of all-time, which he apparently does, he ain't there yet. Talent alone is not enough, you have to PROVE you can beat the best out there. Now if Hatton was out of his league, as so many are saying, what's the great accomplishment of Floyd's part? I'm not knocking Floyd, but IMO, he has to beat 2-3 more ELITE fighters to be considered the best ever.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple
Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**
After he beats him....who's next?
It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.
Well Cotto is a far more dangerous fight. Wouldn't pick him to win but its clearly the fight to be made. Williams is another guy but why would Floyd fight him when he's not that big of a name, Cottos' the way to go.
Anyway I thought Floyd looked good, I picked him to win but not to stop him so he exceeded my expectations.
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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?
Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.
Don't bother with the Ponce fight... It was awful.. Same with the Lacy vs Manfredo fight.
Wow,was it that bad! I had the mispleasure of seeing the Lacy and Manfredo "fight". Wish I hadnt!
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LuvFightGame,I know you were critical of Mayweather for not trying to finish his fights:thoughts now?
Also,what happened in the Ponce fight,did anyone see it? I heard it was dull,I have not had time to watch it yet.
Avoid that fight at all costs unless you're a big fan of Ponce De Leon. He looked dreadful... it was shocking how much he was missing his punches by, you would never think he is a world champion if that was your first glimpse of him. He looked like a journeyman upsetting a decent boxer at best. ;)
:coolclick: back for earlier man.
I think you were hitting the nail on the head about Mayweather vs. De La Hoya. People rarely ever give Floyd credit, it is always "the other guys stamina faded/lost confidence/changed to the wrong tactics etc..." The reason it appears like that is a testament to Floyd's skill. Against Judah, he adjusted to the southpaw style and outboxed Zab. Against Oscar he also adjusted, and Oscar had no answer... against Ricky, he simply bided his time until he felt it was time to strike, much like a lion waiting in the high grass for its prey. It can't be coincidence that fighters keep "fading in the second half" of Mayweather fights only. Floyd simply overwhelms them to the point where they are almost paralyzed and unable to let their hands go! It has happened too many times now, I can no longer say that luck is just on Floyd's side.
That is my opinion anyway.
Totally agreed my man,excellent points again. It's always had Oscar done this,had Zab done that,whereas in actual fact,it's not what they hadn't done but more what Floyd had done, ie. adapted and upped the tempo. Also,about the Ponce fight,I'm a huge fan but he blows hot and cold and I guarantee,the day he goes in against a boxer with power and good defence,he is going to be RUTHLESSLY exposed! Keep him away from Molitor!
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Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple
Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**
After he beats him....who's next?
It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.
Whilst I agree with what you said,if you don't want to see Mayweather Cotto or don't think it would be a close fight,you're crazy! I'm not going to go overboard and start saying Cotto will KTFO Mayweather etc because I actually think Mayweather would win but it would be a great fight. If Floyd hasn't got long left,he needs to give us a fight v a natural powerful WW. I don't see any other fight out there for him.
Penalosafan(sorry I can't seem to be able to quote!), I don't agree with some of your points. Whilst Hatton did well early on,again,I have the feeling it was more Floyd getting a feel for Ricky.Seeing what he has to offer. I don't think the fight exposed any major weakness in Mayweather to be honest.If he doesn't fight Cotto,then you'll see me be the first to rip him for not fighting the best fighter at WW besides him. And yeah,Cotto and Margarito are the quintessential pressure fighters at 147 along with Williams,who no-one really wants to fight.
Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.
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Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.
Floyd was spinning his wheels a bit before he fought Oscar, but his last two fights are definitely moving him toward an ATG career. I'd like to see him fight Cotto - a win there would give him a lot of clout for his argument that he's an ATG.
Re: Thoughts on Floyds and Ricky's performances?
Hey Gents,
Brilliant performance on Mayweather's part. His footwork and defense were superb as usual. He potshotted and counter-punched beautifully. His timing and accuracy were amazing; definitely the best in the biz for the last 10or so years. Simply a masterful performance. Only his fights against Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, and Arturo Gatti exceeded this performance.
The only way I foresaw Hatton having any chance of beating Mayweather was if Mayweather broke one of his hands and had a lackluster performance like he did in his first fight against Jose Luis Castillo (which, by the way, many experts believe Mayweather lost). To his credit, Mayweather knew he performed badly in this fight and that the win was a gift, so he made an immediate rematch and schooled Castillo the second time around when Castillo was in his prime.
Looking ahead to the future, I believe Mayweather will fight again against either Cotto or De La Hoya in a year or so. He's at the top of his game and fame right now and won't be able to stay away from the limelight and money. Personally, I hope it will be against Cotto 'cause he'd school De La Hoya again in a boring rematch. Cotto would have a better shot of beating him especially if the aforementioned (i.e. he sustains a broken hand) happens. Other than that, I foresee Mayweather beating Cotto by decision. After that, I think Mayweather should retire for good at 40-0.
Anyway, that's my two cents...
Take Care,
Lito
Re: Thoughts on Floyds and Ricky's performances?
Hatton fought his style of fight and still lost which is not a slight at him as he put in a brave, determined effort but Floyd Mayweather showed he can adjust to fight and brawl rather than just box.
Ricky put up a brave effort but let's be truthful - he was outclassed. The first knockdown was all about Floyd's superb timing.
I'm not a fan of Floyd or his fighting syle but there is no denying his ability and skills.
Hatton fought his fight and was outpunched and eventually knocked out.
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Totally agree with Pumafan and JesseJames. Mayweather should now fight the other best WW now and definitely needs more wins to be considered a really high ATG. He is on his way.
Floyd was spinning his wheels a bit before he fought Oscar, but his last two fights are definitely moving him toward an ATG career. I'd like to see him fight Cotto - a win there would give him a lot of clout for his argument that he's an ATG.
Totall agree my man BC. Hey,I have given Mayweather HUGE props throughout this thread but I'm not going to let it cloud my thinking.I'm not a hater or whatever stupid term is used, Floyd did what he was supposed to do in my opinion,beat a guy who was a dangerous fighter but a fighter not established at the weight class. I said it before the fight and I'll say it again,it is an impressive W,VERY impressive but Hatton was not top 5 at WW. An argument could be made that he was not top 10. Floyd gets credit for winning,now lets fight a legit,natural WW,Cotto.
I just read the whole I'm taking a year or 2 off BS and it's NOT impressive.At all. Miguel Cotto is there,let's make the fight happen. It's not like Cotto is not a draw,which is the only reason I don't mention PW and Tony's names,they aren't draws so Floyd won't fight them(the fact that they are monstrously big doesn't help either ;) )
Re: Thoughts on Floyds and Ricky's performances?
I think Hatton fought with almost too much emotion. He let the hype go to his head and wanted to just smash PBF's head and totally forgot the body. I think PBF showed again just how amazing a fighter he really is, we should seriously be greatful of having such a talent around! I wish that PBF acted as he did after the fight all the time, then he would be soooo much more popular! Cannot understand why he acts like such a div!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Floyd did what he always does...he took his man outside of his comfort zone & Hatton fell apart...plain & simple
Everyone'll now start looking to Cotto to handle Floyd. ::**
After he beats him....who's next?
It's annoying. Last night shoulda told everyone where & what Floyd is all about.
I don't think many people question Floyd's talent, but if he wants to be considered the greatest of all-time, which he apparently does, he ain't there yet. Talent alone is not enough, you have to PROVE you can beat the best out there. Now if Hatton was out of his league, as so many are saying, what's the great accomplishment of Floyd's part? I'm not knocking Floyd, but IMO, he has to beat 2-3 more ELITE fighters to be considered the best ever.
Problem with whatchersayinghere is that lots of folks look elite until they get in with Floyd. Then they look outclassed.
So the end result is that Floyd never manages to fight any elite fighters, so he's never proven himself.
Gotta love the catch-22.
Though greatest of all time ... well, that's not something I'm going to quibble about. He is at the very least a contender for that spot.
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I'll give Floyd a big round of applause. Take away the first 3 rounds and he dominated that fight. I mean dominated it. Hatton landed about 5 punches on Floyd's face the whole fight. He didn't even land to the body. Hopefully this will calm the fans who say Floyd runs all the time etc down. After the fight,I really liked most of Floyd's comments too,as per usual. Respectful and also admitted he has had some dull fights and wanted to change that.He's a cool guy.
NOW FIGHT MIGUEL COTTO! ;D ;D :D (I'd have Floyd as favourite but I think it would be a MUCh more exciting fight than the Hatton fight)_
I thought there werre too many threads making it disjointed so just post what you thought of the fighters and their performances here.
I didn't post in this thread, anyway the fight went sort of as i expected it too. I knew Mayweather would do a lot better on the inside than people thought. Because i remember how well he done on the inside against similar opponent to Hatton, Jesus Chavez. I thought the uppercuts would be more apparent from Mayweather, but Mayweather did what he had to do and thats be patient wait for his opportunity and then finish the fight in style which he did congrats to Mayweather he done as well as he could of done in the kind of messy fight he was in.
As for Hatton i was a little disappointed with him to be honest. He was not moving his head plus he was not using angles on the inside, plus he did not do his homework to the body. He also did not throw nearly enough punches as he should have, Hatton needs to move down to Jr Welterweight for certain.
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well floyd is boring except for this fight, he is a technician boxer but i find ko artists more exciting. pacs fight is boring lately also.
i didnt say that floyd vs hatton is a boring fight. i said floyd is a boring boxer i mean the last tko he got was way back 05 right?
hatton was hit with a couple of shots because he was talking to cortez. i give props to floyd for koing hatton even floyd was surprised imho. eheheheh
Totally disagree how many Mayweather fights have you actually seen ?? because most of his fights have been exciting except for a few of his latest fights. I didn't find Hatton vs Mayweather exciting that was actually messy fight and nowhere near one of Mayweather's most exciting fight.
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Jesus Chavez
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Arturo Gatti
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Diego Corrales
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Zab Judah
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Genaro Hernandez
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Phillip N'dou
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Sharmba Mitchell
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Emanuel Augustus
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Angel Manfredy
Tell me what was so boring about any of these fights ?? theres mixture of toe to toe action, boxing master classes, and great TKO's/KO's, Plus most of Mayweathers early fights were also exciting.
