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I have a feeling everyone is a little too anxious for this fight to happen for all the wrong reasons. Miguel Cotto is not ready for Floyd quite yet. Miguel has improved greatly over the years, he has improved greatly since even fighting Paul Malinaggi. He just has not improved enough.
There needs a lot of work on his defense before this fight is even though of. Shane Mosley is fast but Shane is past his best. A lot of people are using the fact Cotto beat Mosley as a measuring stick on how he would deal with Floyd's speed, except it is not just the speed that is a factor. Pinpoint accuracy is one of the biggest weapons in Weather's arsenal.
I would put Miguel as the best welterweight in the division right now behind Floyd Mayweather just not in Floyds league quite yet. I am a big supporter of Cotto and I would hate to see him have a setback before he is ready
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Cotto vs Mayweather?
C'mon, you gotta admit that even looking at the title gets you excited.
It's a no brainer
Actually I'm more looking forward to Vasquez - Marquez III.
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I don't think Floyd will fight again until June/July next year so i see Cotto fighting someone before that, then it's on for sure. PBF is the money man and he knows a Cotto fight will bring Mega bucks, it will only be a matter of time and 2008 is the year it will happen.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
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I have a feeling everyone is a little too anxious for this fight to happen for all the wrong reasons. Miguel Cotto is not ready for Floyd quite yet. Miguel has improved greatly over the years, he has improved greatly since even fighting Paul Malinaggi. He just has not improved enough.
There needs a lot of work on his defense before this fight is even though of. Shane Mosley is fast but Shane is past his best. A lot of people are using the fact Cotto beat Mosley as a measuring stick on how he would deal with Floyd's speed, except it is not just the speed that is a factor. Pinpoint accuracy is one of the biggest weapons in Weather's arsenal.
I would put Miguel as the best welterweight in the division right now behind Floyd Mayweather just not in Floyds league quite yet. I am a big supporter of Cotto and I would hate to see him have a setback before he is ready
:coolclick: I agree that's why I've said I don't want to see this fight in 2008. But it's certainly the biggest potential rivalry in boxing. Let it build and in 09 it will be massive.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but the fact remains that Cotto beat a guy who beat DLH twice and was far more active and sharp on fight night than Oscar as evidenced by DLH fighting way out of character and wailing away like we've never seen him do.
Those are facts and not opinions.
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I have a feeling everyone is a little too anxious for this fight to happen for all the wrong reasons. Miguel Cotto is not ready for Floyd quite yet. Miguel has improved greatly over the years, he has improved greatly since even fighting Paul Malinaggi. He just has not improved enough.
There needs a lot of work on his defense before this fight is even though of. Shane Mosley is fast but Shane is past his best. A lot of people are using the fact Cotto beat Mosley as a measuring stick on how he would deal with Floyd's speed, except it is not just the speed that is a factor. Pinpoint accuracy is one of the biggest weapons in Weather's arsenal.
I would put Miguel as the best welterweight in the division right now behind Floyd Mayweather just not in Floyds league quite yet. I am a big supporter of Cotto and I would hate to see him have a setback before he is ready
:coolclick: I agree that's why I've said I don't want to see this fight in 2008. But it's certainly the biggest potential rivalry in boxing. Let it build and in 09 it will be massive.
How can it possibly build up with floyd sitting on his a**? I don't want to hear that Cotto beat him because he had a year or 2 layoff.
They are both coming off big victories one month apart and and there is no better time to start negotiations.If it doesn't happen it's because floyd is ducking,plain and simple.
I thought you guys were boxing fans. What difference does it make to you if it builds up to more money for them later? You're not gonna see a dime of that.
We're the ones paying for the PPV so we should be the ones demanding for our faves to fight the biggest possible fights to remove all doubt about who's the best.
It seems like the floyd fans in here are scared to see their guy take chances. I'm a fan of Cotto and would want and expect nothing less than him fighting the best out there to show what he's made of.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but the fact remains that Cotto beat a guy who beat DLH twice and was far more active and sharp on fight night than Oscar as evidenced by DLH fighting way out of character and wailing away like we've never seen him do.
Those are facts and not opinions.
Just because Cotto beat a guy (Mosley) that beat De La Hoya who lost to Mayweather does not mean Cotto can take Mayweather any easier than the next guy. There is no proof to linear match-ups being factors to determine fights.
For example: With that logic that means Morales is better than Barrera because he beat Junior Jones OR Barrera is better than Morales because he won the trilogy so Morales wouldn't be able to beat Pacquiao OR Roberto Duran is better than Tommy Hearns because Duran beat Leonard.
But what happened was Morales lost the trilogy against Barrera even thought he beat Junior Jones, Morales beat Pacquiao even though he lost to Barrera who lost to Pacquiao, and Duran beat Leonard who beat Hearns but Duran sure didn't beat Hearns.
Hope that was clear to understand.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but the fact remains that Cotto beat a guy who beat DLH twice and was far more active and sharp on fight night than Oscar as evidenced by DLH fighting way out of character and wailing away like we've never seen him do.
Those are facts and not opinions.
Just because Cotto beat a guy (Mosley) that beat De La Hoya who lost to Mayweather does not mean Cotto can take Mayweather any easier than the next guy. There is no proof to linear match-ups being factors to determine fights.
For example: With that logic that means Morales is better than Barrera because he beat Junior Jones OR Barrera is better than Morales because he won the trilogy so Morales wouldn't be able to beat Pacquiao OR Roberto Duran is better than Tommy Hearns because Duran beat Leonard.
But what happened was Morales lost the trilogy against Barrera even thought he beat Junior Jones, Morales beat Pacquiao even though he lost to Barrera who lost to Pacquiao, and Duran beat Leonard who beat Hearns but Duran sure didn't beat Hearns.
Hope that was clear to understand.
I completely understand. What I'm saying is that: why is it a big deal that floyd beat DLH on not that big a deal that Cotto beat Shane? And again, Shane was still very active while DLH had one fight in about three years and it was against a guy with zero defence.
The only difference is that floyd has a big mouth and Cotto does not. floyd makes his wins sound bigger than they are and people believe it. Cotto does all his talking with his fists.
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I agree with you in the fact that Cotto's win over Mosley was bigger than Floyd's win over De La Hoya. AND I also agree that Cotto uses a more mature approach to the fight game by "talking with his fists." The thing is Mayweather uses his mouth A LOT, but he also "talks with his fists." Floyd uses his mouth for the pre-fight promotion but when it comes down to it, in the ring, he is the most mature fighter out there. No matter how much pressure Hatton put on him, Floyd stuck to game plan and waited patiently til he had his openings. When the whole Mayweather vs Judah brawl happened, Floyd stood in the corner while there was utter chaos in the ring and relaxed until the fight continued.
When it comes down to facts, Floyd does have a better resume than Cotto. Cotto had a big year by beating Judah and Mosley but other than those guys, anyone who isn't a REAL boxing fan wouldn't know the other fighters he has beaten. Mayweather has Hatton, De La Hoya, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Corrales, and Castillo. Cotto has had some amazing comebacks and exciting fights but the fact of the matter is Cotto has shown that he can be hit. Mayweather on the other hand doesn't have as many exciting fights but that's cause no one has been able to figure out how to hit him yet.
Cotto could possibly be ready, but to make the fight look even that much better on paper for it to be a superfight, Cotto must have more names on his resume. Two more fights between Cotto and either De La Hoya, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, or Hatton, Cotto will be more than ready.
The thing is, if Cotto beats Williams, Cintron, or Margarito, he will gain a lot of respect from the boxing community. On the other hand, if he beats De La Hoya and Hatton, that will be a commercial goldmine! Pitting up two fighters who hold titles, are undefeated, and have beaten the same two people on route to each other will be mainstream sucess. All-in-all, boxing today is more about being a business than fighters fighting for glory.
(Hatton and his camp have supposedly decided to go back to 140 but you never know what will happen in boxing)
I'm sorry if this was lengthy, but I had to say everything in order to get my point across.
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I agree with you in the fact that Cotto's win over Mosley was bigger than Floyd's win over De La Hoya. AND I also agree that Cotto uses a more mature approach to the fight game by "talking with his fists." The thing is Mayweather uses his mouth A LOT, but he also "talks with his fists." Floyd uses his mouth for the pre-fight promotion but when it comes down to it, in the ring, he is the most mature fighter out there. No matter how much pressure Hatton put on him, Floyd stuck to game plan and waited patiently til he had his openings. When the whole Mayweather vs Judah brawl happened, Floyd stood in the corner while there was utter chaos in the ring and relaxed until the fight continued.
When it comes down to facts, Floyd does have a better resume than Cotto. Cotto had a big year by beating Judah and Mosley but other than those guys, anyone who isn't a REAL boxing fan wouldn't know the other fighters he has beaten. Mayweather has Hatton, De La Hoya, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Corrales, and Castillo. Cotto has had some amazing comebacks and exciting fights but the fact of the matter is Cotto has shown that he can be hit. Mayweather on the other hand doesn't have as many exciting fights but that's cause no one has been able to figure out how to hit him yet.
Cotto could possibly be ready, but to make the fight look even that much better on paper for it to be a superfight, Cotto must have more names on his resume. Two more fights between Cotto and either De La Hoya, Williams, Cintron, Margarito, or Hatton, Cotto will be more than ready.
The thing is, if Cotto beats Williams, Cintron, or Margarito, he will gain a lot of respect from the boxing community. On the other hand, if he beats De La Hoya and Hatton, that will be a commercial goldmine! Pitting up two fighters who hold titles, are undefeated, and have beaten the same two people on route to each other will be mainstream sucess. All-in-all, boxing today is more about being a business than fighters fighting for glory.
(Hatton and his camp have supposedly decided to go back to 140 but you never know what will happen in boxing)
I'm sorry if this was lengthy, but I had to say everything in order to get my point across.
I don't really get you guys though. We as fans don't get paid for these fight but we have to pay for them. I don't want to wait to floyd feels Cotto brings enough money.
I thought it was about who the best fighter was, not the best business man. If that's the case then DLH would have been p4p #1 for the last 10 years and for about 10 more.
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Generally yes, Cotto vs. PBF is by far the biggest fight that can be made. But there are other fights that IMO to the hardcore fans would be as big as Cotto-PBF. In no particular order:
Calderon vs. Solis - Mouth watering fight both very skilled fighters.
Guzman vs. Pac - The waters heating up and it WILL boil.
De Leon vs. Caballero II - This S***! is looong over due.
'Baby Bull' vs. Hatton - I made a thread on this a while back and the response was great.
Pavlik vs. Abraham - Come on you know you wanna see it.
Kessler vs. Froch - Nothing would please me more in 2008 then to see this one come off.
Other fights that I would be very interested in seeing:
Arce vs. Mabuza - No one agress with me but something tells me this fight would be fucken great.
Kiko vs. Baustista - 2 young prospects with power.
Linares vs. Luevano - 2 young guys both newly crowned World Champs.
Enzo vs. Haye - I hope it comes...
Again not on par with Cotto-PBF BUT very close IMO.
I'd love to see Pacquio fight Juan Diaz, INO Diaz has the upper hand
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but the fact remains that Cotto beat a guy who beat DLH twice and was far more active and sharp on fight night than Oscar as evidenced by DLH fighting way out of character and wailing away like we've never seen him do.
Those are facts and not opinions.
Just because Cotto beat a guy (Mosley) that beat De La Hoya who lost to Mayweather does not mean Cotto can take Mayweather any easier than the next guy. There is no proof to linear match-ups being factors to determine fights.
For example: With that logic that means Morales is better than Barrera because he beat Junior Jones OR Barrera is better than Morales because he won the trilogy so Morales wouldn't be able to beat Pacquiao OR Roberto Duran is better than Tommy Hearns because Duran beat Leonard.
But what happened was Morales lost the trilogy against Barrera even thought he beat Junior Jones, Morales beat Pacquiao even though he lost to Barrera who lost to Pacquiao, and Duran beat Leonard who beat Hearns but Duran sure didn't beat Hearns.
Hope that was clear to understand.
But WTF cares about that. We all want to see the fight. I'm PuertoRican I love Cotto But if takes an easy fight I will criticize him because I want him to fight the Best. and For Mayweather NOW is the Time. Easy this fight can be maid between April and July. No more than that.
IT is really stupid that while Cotto fans want for him to fight Floyd the others PBF, Cotto Haters and Hatton Fans don't want this fight to happen.
In Fact I'm in shock. It's cool that you have your opinion of who should win blah blah blah but to say that this fight should not be maid in the next fight of them it's really ridiculous. It's the Only reason why I MIGHT thing are afraid of Cotto wining because 1) P4P status of Floyd will disappear with all his hype and all because of his big as moth 2) Hatton will loose more crdibility 3) Cotto haters just want to for him to loose.
Now all those 3 points MAYBE the real reason why you don't want this fight to happen. Other than that is unreal.
AND please don't talk about money between this 2 or build up or what ever the stage is ready everyone but i mean everyone is talking about this fight.
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I'm not so sure that Cotto is ready yet. There's a case to be made that he lost to Mosley. I felt he won or it was a draw, but not everyone saw it that way. What would Miguel do so damn differnt from all the others? Yeah, he is bigger, and has more power than Hatton, but guess what? He's not as fast. He can't close the distance like Hatton can. He does have a better jab than Hatton though.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
BTW, I don't think DLH beat floyd at all. I just had to make that point because you have guys that love or hate a fighter so much that they don't see fights with clear vision.
If that's the case, there's a case to be made that DLH beat floyd. floyd got a split while Cotto won unanimous against a better and more active fighter.
Oh come on thats not comparable, Mayweather easily beat Oscar De La Hoya, plus the punch stats were a landslide for Mayweather.
Cotto vs Mosley is very debatable i had Mosley vs Cotto a draw, Mosley come on very strong in the later rounds, punch stats had them landing the same amount of punches it was very close fight.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it but the fact remains that Cotto beat a guy who beat DLH twice and was far more active and sharp on fight night than Oscar as evidenced by DLH fighting way out of character and wailing away like we've never seen him do.
Those are facts and not opinions.
Just because Cotto beat a guy (Mosley) that beat De La Hoya who lost to Mayweather does not mean Cotto can take Mayweather any easier than the next guy. There is no proof to linear match-ups being factors to determine fights.
For example: With that logic that means Morales is better than Barrera because he beat Junior Jones OR Barrera is better than Morales because he won the trilogy so Morales wouldn't be able to beat Pacquiao OR Roberto Duran is better than Tommy Hearns because Duran beat Leonard.
But what happened was Morales lost the trilogy against Barrera even thought he beat Junior Jones, Morales beat Pacquiao even though he lost to Barrera who lost to Pacquiao, and Duran beat Leonard who beat Hearns but Duran sure didn't beat Hearns.
Hope that was clear to understand.
But WTF cares about that. We all want to see the fight. I'm PuertoRican I love Cotto But if takes an easy fight I will criticize him because I want him to fight the Best. and For Mayweather NOW is the Time. Easy this fight can be maid between April and July. No more than that.
IT is really stupid that while Cotto fans want for him to fight Floyd the others PBF, Cotto Haters and Hatton Fans don't want this fight to happen.
In Fact I'm in shock. It's cool that you have your opinion of who should win blah blah blah but to say that this fight should not be maid in the next fight of them it's really ridiculous. It's the Only reason why I
MIGHT thing are afraid of Cotto wining because 1) P4P status of Floyd will disappear with all his hype and all because of his big as moth 2) Hatton will loose more crdibility 3) Cotto haters just want to for him to loose.
Now all those 3 points
MAYBE the real reason why you don't want this fight to happen. Other than that is unreal.
AND please don't talk about money between this 2 or build up or what ever the stage is ready everyone but i mean everyone is talking about this fight.
You truly believe Cotto is ready to defeat Floyd Mayweather? I hope so. But I'm not so sure myself.
