How can you have ANY respect for these crazy fuckers?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....Iraq COULD be split into three sectors......and we would have to deal with a much stronger Iran OR Iraq could wake the F*** up and stop the sectarian violence and start working together for their country.....but then again that's a HUGE cultural difference to overcome.


If peace in the Middle East was easy it would have been achieved by now....and I think we can agree on that

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Wont happen,Mennonites and Baptists dont live peacefully next to each other
Those folks have a hundred years time out,the Iraqi's havent had 30 years of one yet.And our little lets play them off each other war between Iraq and Iran certainly didnt help matters,let alone the Kurds wanting there own state because they trust us not one iota after Bush the elder encouraged them to rebel and let Sadaam blow the rest of his armorment on them
I dont know if our leaders meant well over the years in the region,but I do know they didnt do well. Now to you and me its a discussion of foriegn policy,now to an Iraqi its,"See that,thats where gandma lived until the Americans blew it up,now lets go visit your sister who died at Abu Ghraib's gravesite"

The Sunnis and Shi'a and Arabs and Persians have had FOREVER to figure their shit out.....but while the Christians had the Reformation and grew out of their sectarian violence, the Muslims haven't had their Religious "eureka moment" they haven't stood up and said "Oh I see clearly now, even though you are Persian and I am Arab we DON'T have to fight, we can be brothers and celebrate our religion differently and celebrate our cultures differently"


I await the day that happens though....Persians and Arabs were as mean to each other as they ever were to Christians or Westerners.......they had slave Armies which is why they vastly outnumbered the Greeks and Romans and I think hell if they feel so strongly about the Crusades even to this day I am sure they feel strongly about the ancient times as well.


It is in the best intrests of the World and those societies that they learn to get along....and how and when that happens no one knows

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Originally Posted by Lyle

The Sunnis and Shi'a and Arabs and Persians have had FOREVER to figure their S*** out.....but while the Christians had the Reformation and grew out of their sectarian violence, the Muslims haven't had their Religious "eureka moment" they haven't stood up and said "Oh I see clearly now, even though you are Persian and I am Arab we DON'T have to fight, we can be brothers and celebrate our religion differently and celebrate our cultures differently"


I await the day that happens though....Persians and Arabs were as mean to each other as they ever were to Christians or Westerners.......they had slave Armies which is why they vastly outnumbered the Greeks and Romans and I think hell if they feel so strongly about the Crusades even to this day I am sure they feel strongly about the ancient times as well.


It is in the best intrests of the World and those societies that they learn to get along....and how and when that happens no one knows

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Your kidding right?
Catholics and Protestants have had how long(hint,longer) and that doesnt stop the bombs in Ireland,it certainly didnt stop a kid I was friends with informing my catholic ass growing up that the "Pope was a minion of Satan" and my best friend agreeing with him
Take the trunk out of thy own eye
Whenever anybody is convinced of anything other then simple human kindness,and the humanity of others,the whole ediffice of society comes crashing down

....I don't think they need RELIGION to fight in Ireland

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I don't think they need RELIGION to fight in Ireland

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Wait,you just excused your religous slur with a racial one?
How big of a hole do you want to be in son,because youve gone pretty deep here

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I don't think they need RELIGION to fight in Ireland

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Wait,you just excused your religous slur with a racial one?
How big of a hole do you want to be in son,because youve gone pretty deep here

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#1 Irish isn't a race...I don't mean to be a smart ass and I didn't mean to be insulting

#2 They have more issues (the Irish and the Northern Irish and England) than JUST religion

How's this for a mind blowing thought.....by Henry the 8th creating the COE he basically AUTOMATICALLY ensured that Ireland would remain loyal to the Pope and remain Catholic.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....I don't think they need RELIGION to fight in Ireland

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Wait,you just excused your religous slur with a racial one?
How big of a hole do you want to be in son,because youve gone pretty deep here

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#1 Irish isn't a race...I don't mean to be a smart a** and I didn't mean to be insulting

#2 They have more issues (the Irish and the Northern Irish and England) than JUST religion

How's this for a mind blowing thought.....by Henry the 8th creating the COE he basically AUTOMATICALLY ensured that Ireland would remain loyal to the Pope and remain Catholic.

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Actually yes it is,it Iberian

....that's an ethnicity, by race I mean caucasasian, african, hispanic, asian, etc.


and Iberian would refer to someone from the Iberian Penninsula which is the area in the far southwest of Europe

Hibernian might refer to Ireland or an Irish "race" but even then it's no different than English....other than twice as stubborn ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....that's an ethnicity, by race I mean caucasasian, african, hispanic, asian, etc.


and Iberian would refer to someone from the Iberian Penninsula which is the area in the far southwest of Europe

Hibernian might refer to Ireland or an Irish "race" but even then it's no different than English....other than twice as stubborn ;D

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Yes actually it is,different races and tribes have washed over the British Isles
Iberian,or the misspelled common Hiberian came first
Then came the Celts
The came the Romans
Then came the Saxons,and the Normands
With the exception of the Saxons and the Normands,none of these are really the same race,thats like saying Morrocans and Zulus are the same race

who gives a shit. They're all fucking nuts over there. Bring our boys home and let em kill each other.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

who gives a S***. They're all F****** nuts over there. Bring our boys home and let em kill each other.

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Von,hint hint,theyre all fucking nuts over here too,how else do you explain two terms of the chimpanzee in chief?
Howard,the Aussie's tossed him
Blair,his own party tossed him
The founder of this wonderful feast of shit
Well we re-elect his semi-retarded ass

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Von,hint hint,theyre all fucking nuts over here too,how else do you explain two terms of the chimpanzee in chief?
Howard,the Aussie's tossed him
Blair,his own party tossed him
The founder of this wonderful feast of shit
Well we re-elect his semi-retarded ass

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....and he's still better than Gore or Kerry

The two main Religions both Christian and Muslim's secret weapon against the people.....ok sheep. Are their own rules, rules that run against nature ,sexual nature and the universal circular way of all things both outer and inner.


Those false rules or guidelines taken the wrong way

Humanized mentally lead straight to

GUILT:

its like rust to the mind and leads eventually into BLAME, natuarlly occurs just to preserve your own self or ones own sanity,because we cant live with being wrong..we get sick and die.

BLAME spawns seperation / segregation etc

which leads to violence against others in the name of the first name mentioned which has nothing to do with it at this stage.

God or the creative forces of this universe cant just magically take over from what it once let go forwards for its own freedoms sake.

We have to rejoin together first.

and that begins with you and spreads out from there.

Its up to us or down to us. :sheep: :sheep: :sheep:

.....you'd really enjoy reading 'A World Lit Only By Fire' Andre

I'll get to it bro. ;)