Re: Sugar Ray Robinson Welterweight fight Videos....
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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He was something special, but those double, tripple left hooks would be easy to block. Its more his stiff jab counter left hook, and hidden right cross that you have to worry about ;D.. I would still be interested how he would do against a good jabber because Robinson didn't really use any defense except footwork.
179 guys out there will disagree with you...Including a fair amount of HOF fighters
Like Lamotta, or Turpin? or Fulmer, wow what great fighters... they are definitely the fastest, strongest, most technical fighters I've ever seen... not. They were tough, but there were some guys at Welterweight who could box and gave Robinson a hell of a time.
As usual when someone comes up with a good counter point to one of your post you try to throw it off track...where did anyone say noone ever gave Robinson trouble?...Im sorry where was that?.....Stop looking on the post in the thread because no one said that it was just another case of Taeth changing words around to fit what he wants them to....
I think the whole point was you stated that Robinsons hook would be useless against a good jabber...and the reply was 179 (it is actually 173 my mistake)...would disagree...so where does LaMotta or anyone specific come in?...
By the way...I have a 6yr old that says something then follows it up with....Not...so grow up and post again when you don't need your nose wiped and diapers changed
Me grow up? Your the one who flew off the handle lol, I didn't know which part of my comment you said 179 guys disagree with his defence? I brought Lamotta, Turpin, and Fulmer into it because they all hit Robinson pretty easily. Secondly, there was no correlation between me saying throwing those three hooks wouldn't be effective against somebody with good defence and me saying I would like to see how Robinson does against a good jabbing boxer like Leonard. What I was saying is because Robinson didn't really use his hands for defense almost at all I wonder how he would do against somebody like Leonard who used his hands to block shots and he was as quick as Robinson. Also last but not least you didn't read the other part of what I wrote because you lost your temper and didn't bother to read... I said that Robinson's jab, cross and counter left hook, off his opponents jab usually, were his money punches. Maybe you should chill out, I am not trying to just come in and insult you, but your taking this way too personally, and you act like its a sin for people to share their own opinion. If you don't feel like arguing then ignore me or stfu and take it like a man.
No you never said you wonder how Robinson would do against someone with good defense...you said they would be easy to block,,,then you mentioned a good jabber etc...nothinng about how would they do against a guy with good defense.....
then you said the comments about Turpin, LaMotta and Fulmer sarcastic....like Ray was lucky against bums like that...BTW are HOF fighters so they must be pretty decent huh?.....then threw in a NOT...like a little kid....
The part about 173 not 179 was me correcting myself in the first post....so have a good day
Re: Sugar Ray Robinson Welterweight fight Videos....
Look Teath has his way of things sometimes i do not agree with him but it is just a opionin so who cares really. SRR is the welter with SRL following him and then he is under Monzon, Hagler and Bernard in the Middlewieght he gets his do also as the best pound for pound he gets his respect.
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Look Teath has his way of things sometimes i do not agree with him but it is just a opionin so who cares really. SRR is the welter with SRL following him and then he is under Monzon, Hagler and Bernard in the Middlewieght he gets his do also as the best pound for pound he gets his respect.
Under Bernard Hopkins - no chance. The nearest Bernard fought to Sugar Ray Robinson was Roy Jones and Bhop lost that fight.
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What proof do we have that Robinson was a better Welter than Middle. He struggled in a few fights at Welter and the Opposition wasnt as good as his middleweight fights, always had my doubts, whats your take
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What proof do we have that Robinson was a better Welter than Middle. He struggled in a few fights at Welter and the Opposition wasnt as good as his middleweight fights, always had my doubts, whats your take
His opposition at Welterweight is very questionable Scrap. But i wasn't around in that era and there is no footage of his Welterweight fights so i can't really say. But you have seen his fights at Welterweight and you was around in that era so i would love to hear your thoughts.
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Fuck Im not that old I came in at the end of his career. But Ive been in the sport 50 years and been privy to some interesting discussions with people who were around SRR and involved with his career. Some off the things I have been told have shocked me,and been told not to mention names or the source. Look who ran Boxing then, if you didnt write what they wanted you didnt get in never mind a ticket Ray was there Golden Boy
Re: Sugar Ray Robinson Welterweight fight Videos....
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F*** Im not that old I came in at the end of his career. But Ive been in the sport 50 years and been privy to some interesting discussions with people who were around SRR and involved with his career. Some off the things I have been told have shocked me,and been told not to mention names or the source. Look who ran Boxing then, if you didnt write what they wanted you didnt get in never mind a ticket Ray was there Golden Boy
CC Scrap interesting story.
Its shame there isn't any footage of Robinson at Welterweight. I also would love to see more footage of Charles and Burley.
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CC for that Daxx. Scarp,SRR did what he had t do at at WW and cleaned up and beat everyone that was put in front of him. You can't do much more than that. Taeth,those fights you mentioned,LaMotta etc were all at middleweight when SRR was older and not at his best. The fact that he was still winning fights and titles far past his prime is a testment to his skill imo.
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CC for that Daxx. Scarp,SRR did what he had t do at at WW and cleaned up and beat everyone that was put in front of him. You can't do much more than that. Taeth,those fights you mentioned,LaMotta etc were all at middleweight when SRR was older and not at his best. The fact that he was still winning fights and titles far past his prime is a testment to his skill imo.
CC back mate
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Beating Kid Gavilan means nothing to some posters ::**
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Beating Kid Gavilan means nothing to some posters ::**
Name me the other great Welterweight's Robinson beat ??
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Robinsons greatest accomplishment at WW aside from beating Gavilan is when he beat LaMotta who was really a Middleweight at the time and Robinson was gave up 10+ pounds to him. Robinson was the greatest fighter of all time when you look at who hes fought and who hes beat. I think Henry Armstrong was a greater WW though.
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Well past his sell by date was Armstrong when Robinson beat him and most thought Armstrong won. Having Sugar over for a long count, the crowds reaction was to boo long and hard. Gavilan hadnt developed in 48, and what other good fighter did Lamotta beat without a discolated shoulder
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Oh! come on people....
Fuck me! this is disappointing... :( I mean for fucks sake the man went 40-0 and the lost and went on to 128-1 after his loss.
I mean really....
Scrap, sir you of all people should know that boxers back then would gain weight in between fights so if your really looking for him as a Welterweight they'd you'd have to look closely at how much he weighed for the fights to deterime whether he was coming in as a Welter.
You guys also fail to list Angott, Jackie Wilson, Henry, Zivic maybe not the greatest (aside from Henry) but they sure as hell were World Champs and were the thoughest fighters around.
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Oh! come on people....
F*** me! this is disappointing... :( I mean for fucks sake the man went 40-0 and the lost and went on to 128-1 after his loss.
I mean really....
Scrap, sir you of all people should know that boxers back then would gain weight in between fights so if your really looking for him as a Welterweight they'd you'd have to look closely at how much he weighed for the fights to deterime whether he was coming in as a Welter.
You guys also fail to list Angott, Jackie Wilson, Henry, Zivic maybe not the greatest (aside from Henry) but they sure as hell were World Champs and were the thoughest fighters around.
Theres nothing wrong with analyzing Robinson's opposition, i respect Scraps opinion because he was around in that era so he knows a lot more about the opposition than you and i do.
