Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I alwais wanted to start a thread on this but felt that it would be a waist of time given how hot PBF is now and how much of a frenzy his fans are in.
Easily...Tito'd look like a turtle trying to catch...well...a really small, lightning fast, & mouthy colored fellar. ;D
Personally...being a fan of Floyd's...I can honestly say that he'd burn Tito down with volume, accurate accumulation, superior defense, youth, & the fact that he's got about 10 times the foot speed as Trinidad.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
Sorry for long post. The bad thing about arguing in a forum is no one can tell you to shut up when you are babling :)
That's babbling with two b's...not one.
Now...shut up! Your'e babbling! :P :-*
Honestly...I liked your post...& I didn't think that you were babbling...I just wanted to pick a bit.
That being said...Tito would get spanked...just like them other fellars...& you know it.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I would say Oscar at light middleweight had close to the power Trinidad had at 147... look at Trinidad's fight with Mayorga where he had to go to the body to take Mayorga out while Oscar leveled Mayorga to the head, and beat him quicker. I know that doesn't mean everything, butfrom what I saw of Trinidad against Wright it wasn't his power he lost, its that he has always had a little bit of poor timing compared to the great boxers. Against people who stand there he can land shots but he can't land against a moving target which is the biggest difference between him and his precessor Miguel Cotto who doesn't hit as hard, but he is faster and he is a better boxer.
I've heard a lot of claims regarding DLH vs Tito.... but you're one of the few I've heard claim DLH had as much punching power as Tito. You are completely disregarding the fact that Mayorga took a SH*TLOAD of punishment from Tito. By the time he fought Oscar, he was "tenderized." Same happened with Vargas. So if you want to discuss Oscar's boxing skills, go ahead. But please stop short of claiming something that just isn't true.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Mayweather would outbox Tito. Tito just wouldn't have the speed.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Trinidad basically lost 24 rounds to 0 against 2 great boxers in Hopkins and Wright. Floyd is superior to both of them. This fight would probably be the most lopsided shut out in the history of boxing.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
I alwais wanted to start a thread on this but felt that it would be a waist of time given how hot PBF is now and how much of a frenzy his fans are in.
Thanks brazillianbomber for doing it for me ;D CC 294 for standing by your man like I should've done.
Tito is often criticized for his performance as a Middleweight and his fight with DLH. Lets talk about that for a bit. Joppy was a champion for just about the same amount of time that Hopkins was at the time. He was just as established as Hopkins as a 160lber. He had only one loss which he avenged. He was known to be the seccond best 160lb champion. And Tito destroyed him.
Hopkins is considered by many as a top 5 middleweight ALL TIME. And he was a big 160lber. Not only that. He fought a near perfect fight against Tito. Whatch that fight. It was perfect consentration and a performance from Hopkins we have not seen often. Being seccond to Hopkins is not too bad.
As for Wright, I never really considered him a truelly great fighter. He was a defensive master but he has been beat by lesser fighters and he fought a semi active, somewhat unmotivated and unprepared Tito in what I would call a stylistic mismatch. That fight is really hard to watch for me as I could tell Tito pretty much gave up around the 5th round.
Now we go to DLH. I would go as far to say that if DLH fought like he did in the first 9 rounds against anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, he would probably be winning. Again, it is a case of someone fighting a perfect fight. And Tito still kept it close enough to pull off the W.
I got a question for you chamiley. If Tito was not the best WW of his era, than who was?
At this point, PBF has not established without a doubt that he is the best WW of his own era. I have seen nothing that Floyd has done to tell me he could beat Tito. Yes Floyd has some great skills and is an all around better boxer. But put them in the ring together and I see Tito overpowering the smaller Mayweather.
Sorry for long post. The bad thing about arguing in a forum is no one can tell you to shut up when you are babling :)
You think maybe it's more than coincidental that in your mind, everyone to beat Tito fought a "perfect fight" ??? Perhaps it had something to do with how Tito allowed them to perform as well ::**
First, hope you all had a great night and I wish you all the best this coming year.
p4pking, when had DLH ever fought like that?, Ever, tell me one fight and I will agree with you.
As for Hopkins. Ask anybody here how great of a performance that was by Hopkins. It was one of those few one sided fights that was very entertaining (cept for us Tito fans LOL) because it was masterly the way B-Hop handled Tito.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
I disagree with that it wasn't only Oscar's jab, it was Oscar's movement as well because it didn't allow Tito to get set.
Thats pretty much my the point of my argument, movement and Tito not being able so get set, meanwhile getting potshotted to death
Oscar cetanly used his movement well but it was the jab that kept Tito at bay more than anything. Movement alone would not be enough to win.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Guys some of you talk like if all of Tito's 42 wins were against stiffs who stood right in front of him. This is not true he faced some movers in his time and some pretty slick boxers.
Camacho, Turner, Carr, Reid among others. These guys were not in Mayweather's league but the point is Tito did face some fighters with good movement and dominated them. Even DLH who was the most successfull at the time with applying movement to Tito still did not dominate Tito and I don't think anyone can say yet that 147 Mayweather is better than prime 147 DLH. That is still open to debate IMO.
Anybody that thinks Floyd would cruise by Tito with ease is just foolling themselves.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Trinidad basically lost 24 rounds to 0 against 2 great boxers in Hopkins and Wright. Floyd is superior to both of them. This fight would probably be the most lopsided shut out in the history of boxing.
He didn't go the distance with Hopkins though.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
He wasn't stopped until the 12th, he did pretty much lose all 12 rounds of that fight.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I would say Oscar at light middleweight had close to the power Trinidad had at 147... look at Trinidad's fight with Mayorga where he had to go to the body to take Mayorga out while Oscar leveled Mayorga to the head, and beat him quicker. I know that doesn't mean everything, butfrom what I saw of Trinidad against Wright it wasn't his power he lost, its that he has always had a little bit of poor timing compared to the great boxers. Against people who stand there he can land shots but he can't land against a moving target which is the biggest difference between him and his precessor Miguel Cotto who doesn't hit as hard, but he is faster and he is a better boxer.
I've heard a lot of claims regarding DLH vs Tito.... but you're one of the few I've heard claim DLH had as much punching power as Tito. You are completely disregarding the fact that Mayorga took a SH*TLOAD of punishment from Tito. By the time he fought Oscar, he was "tenderized." Same happened with Vargas. So if you want to discuss Oscar's boxing skills, go ahead. But please stop short of claiming something that just isn't true.
Its bs to say he was more tenderized when he fought Oscar, and point being Oscar didn't even "tenderize" Vargas he knocked him down with one clean left hook. after this fight a hard hitting Vargas couldn't do the same to Mayorga either. I am not saying at the same weight they have the same power, and I didn't say they have the same power I said at 154 Oscar has similar power to that Trinidad had at 147, and considering Oscar is one of the hardest punchers we've seen at 147 I think there is nothing wrong with saying that. His punches effected Hopkins just as much as Trinidad's did, he KO'ed Vargas just like Trinidad did though Trinidad did take a lot out of Vargas in their fight. I think to say Trinidad is out Oscar's league in terms of power is more of travesty to the truth than to say Oscar hit roughly as hard as Trinidad when he fought 7 pounds north of WW.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I would say Oscar at light middleweight had close to the power Trinidad had at 147... look at Trinidad's fight with Mayorga where he had to go to the body to take Mayorga out while Oscar leveled Mayorga to the head, and beat him quicker. I know that doesn't mean everything, butfrom what I saw of Trinidad against Wright it wasn't his power he lost, its that he has always had a little bit of poor timing compared to the great boxers. Against people who stand there he can land shots but he can't land against a moving target which is the biggest difference between him and his precessor Miguel Cotto who doesn't hit as hard, but he is faster and he is a better boxer.
I've heard a lot of claims regarding DLH vs Tito.... but you're one of the few I've heard claim DLH had as much punching power as Tito. You are completely disregarding the fact that Mayorga took a SH*TLOAD of punishment from Tito. By the time he fought Oscar, he was "tenderized." Same happened with Vargas. So if you want to discuss Oscar's boxing skills, go ahead. But please stop short of claiming something that just isn't true.
Its bs to say he was more tenderized when he fought Oscar, and point being Oscar didn't even "tenderize" Vargas he knocked him down with one clean left hook. after this fight a hard hitting Vargas couldn't do the same to Mayorga either. I am not saying at the same weight they have the same power, and I didn't say they have the same power I said at 154 Oscar has similar power to that Trinidad had at 147, and considering Oscar is one of the hardest punchers we've seen at 147 I think there is nothing wrong with saying that. His punches effected Hopkins just as much as Trinidad's did, he KO'ed Vargas just like Trinidad did though Trinidad did take a lot out of Vargas in their fight. I think to say Trinidad is out Oscar's league in terms of power is more of travesty to the truth than to say Oscar hit roughly as hard as Trinidad when he fought 7 pounds north of WW.
Well DLH certanly did clock Mayorga with that beautiful left hook. The look on Mayorga's face when he hit the deck was priceless. He could'nt believe what had just happend.
The thing is it usually does not work that way. Power usually decreases as you move up. So you saying that DLH had close to the power at 154 that Tito had at 147 kinda sounds like he has more power if they are in the same weight. Maybe that is why TitoFan did not understand.
Now if you said DLH had the same power at 154 that Tito had at 160. Than it makes sense. After all, Tito fought Mayorga at 160 while DLH fought him at 154.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Again, someone that does'nt understand that this is not a p4p match up. This is a 147lb match up. Those two fights were 2 divisions north of 147. Mayweather's best was 2 divisions below 147. Are you guys seriously thinking size would be no factor at all ???
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
In boxing there is no something like in Math; such as, if A is bigger than B, and B bigger than C, then A is bigger than C. Something that you are forgeting in your equation is the size and strength for example of a Bernard Hokins compared to Floyd, difference in styles, weight division, age, and there are a lot to add. It is true that Tito had strong fights with good boxers, but they had worst when Tito came back putting pressure and punching them (except for Winky and Bernard). This is what made him so great!!! He fought everybody in his division, moved up in weight twice and still won, until Hopkins. This hypothetical fight of Tito and Floyd in their prime would be a great match between the puncher and boxer.
Taking a sample of 6 straight Tito's fights, he fought De La Hoya (147, undefeated WC, gold medallist), Reid (154, undefeated WC, gold medallist), Thiam (154, mandatory fight), Vargas (154, undefeated WC), Joppy (160, WC), Hopkins (160, WC) in that order in a very short period of time. Now he is back facing a challenge that may look like a crazy move for most of the people, but it is saying for sure that Tito never ran to anyone.
Re: People stop saying Floyd would beat Tito
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by Althugz
Like somebody already said, Tito lost 2 shutouts to 2 good boxers...Oscar could have won the match against him easily as well but chose to use the wrong strategy. Point being..if Winky and B-hop can score shutout victories over Tito then Floyd would 'easily' beat Tito IMO.
Tito has never done well against good boxers.
Again, someone that does'nt understand that this is not a p4p match up. This is a 147lb match up. Those two fights were 2 divisions north of 147. Mayweather's best was 2 divisions below 147. Are you guys seriously thinking size would be no factor at all ???
Most people would disagree that the only reason Trinidad lost to Hopkins and Wright was due to weight. He would have lost the same no matter what weight the fights took place at. Styles make fights, and stylistically, he's more successful against fighters similar to him as opposed to fighters with world class boxing skills.
