Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Yes. But Warren doesn't deserve all the blame. in all there years working together, Calzaghe never once question Warren's decisions. No matter how many bums or shot fighters he fought, Calzaghe kept his mouth closed. Calzaghe is as much to blame as Warren
agreed...besides it has turned out OK in the long run right?..and besides I bet Joe's bank account is not complaining....Maybe it was hampered a bit,,,I put more blame on the promoter early on then the fighter because fighters know little about the workings of the sport other then fighting (believe it or not but true)...once the fighter reaches a certain level though the blame is shared equally....
Unless Warren has him in such a rock solid clad contract with so many ins and outs it is pretty much financial ruin to leave him?....I have seen that happen before as well..
I realise what you mention about contracts can be the reality in some cases, but having read Joe's autbiography, and knowing a little about his early pro career, where he was making little more than bus fare each way with another promoter, I'm pretty sure he would have had some serious advice and guidance when he went to sign with Warren, and I don't think its likely that he's there against his will.
I was just giving could be situations to the original post on to why Joe is with Frank or has Frank hurt his career...it is situations like those I mentioned that will keep a fighter with a promoter against his will...Notice I also mentioned his bank account is not complaining and it has turned out OK in the long run reguardless....Calzaghe has managed to make a good sum of Money and he has established his legacy in stone...IMO the rest is irreguardless
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
Porkpara, I believe Joe was going througth a messy divorce over a few years and earning big money would not have helped in a settlement. I think that it could have a lot to do with it. I noticed after the Big fights started to happen. Call me old fashion. :D
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Benn first fought Malinga before he fought McClellan and Malinga took him the full 10 so when they fought the 2nd time everyone who knew anything about boxing knew it would be close again i think Boxing news predicted Benn UD12 so it was never going to be a walk in the park.
Benn got a gift in the 1st Malinga fight he should of lost.
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Benn first fought Malinga before he fought McClellan and Malinga took him the full 10 so when they fought the 2nd time everyone who knew anything about boxing knew it would be close again i think Boxing news predicted Benn UD12 so it was never going to be a walk in the park.
Benn got a gift in the 1st Malinga fight he should of lost.
I did'nt say owt about that you said that Benn was expected to blow Malinga away.
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Porkpara, I believe Joe was going througth a messy divorce over a few years and earning big money would not have helped in a settlement. I think that it could have a lot to do with it. I noticed after the Big fights started to happen. Call me old fashion. :D
An old fashioned old cynic eh? ;) Some might say you're reading too much into it....not me though, I love a conspiracy theory.
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
To be honest Super, I did here whispers :D
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
It's all very well saying Warren held him back, but from what? He's in a small minority of fighters with a very successful career.
It's impossible to say how things would have turned-out if they're done different.
For example - Calzaghe was only halted from moving to Lightheavy a few years back through injury. Had that move gone smoothly he would've never achieved the great wins over Lacy and Kessler (which made him).
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Benn first fought Malinga before he fought McClellan and Malinga took him the full 10 so when they fought the 2nd time everyone who knew anything about boxing knew it would be close again i think Boxing news predicted Benn UD12 so it was never going to be a walk in the park.
Benn got a gift in the 1st Malinga fight he should of lost.
I did'nt say owt about that you said that Benn was expected to blow Malinga away.
I didn't say you did but you brought up the 1st fight, so i thought i would give my 2 cents and say Benn got a gift decision ;)
Re: Has Frank Warren held back Joe calzaghe's career?
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by MAYWEATHER P4P#1
Benn first fought Malinga before he fought McClellan and Malinga took him the full 10 so when they fought the 2nd time everyone who knew anything about boxing knew it would be close again i think Boxing news predicted Benn UD12 so it was never going to be a walk in the park.
Benn got a gift in the 1st Malinga fight he should of lost.
I did'nt say owt about that you said that Benn was expected to blow Malinga away.
I didn't say you did but you brought up the 1st fight, so i thought i would give my 2 cents and say Benn got a gift decision ;)
Oh right yes he did get a gift decision yes you lost me for a minute ;D
