Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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I think the Wacko / Ice match up will prove to be far more entertaining than Jones vs. Trinidad.
This is more of an "event" of big names rather than a relevant fight for boxing standings.I'll be on the RBR but will save My money on this one.
I think I might be developing epilepsy from all the different fonts, bolds, italics and colours they're using.
Eggs-zackree!
One of the reasons I no longer banter with him...I mean...WTF?!?!?! Why note quote like a normal forum goer?!?!?! ;D :P
Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it ;)
Nah but seriously i find it easier to do it that way, i can't believe some people find it hard to read. I think it breaks long sentences down and its easier to read.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of shit ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it ;)
I often find your adolescent assumptions ammusing half way through...but considering myself having lost something? Nah...only flesh off of my finger tips typing text that you quite often shift a few words to better suit a later purpose in your favor.
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Nah but seriously i find it easier to do it that way, i can't believe some people find it hard to read. I think it breaks long sentences down and its easier to read.
This coming from the man who quite often refused puncuation...or was that 140? I so often confuse the two. ;) ;D :-*
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
Well then color me silly for saying so, under the guise of the forum wizard & Crockee-dile-gotdam-dundee himself!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZSnVt5hss
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Happy New Years bitches...it's just 'round the corner!
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
Not trying to speak for Snakey full force or anything...but any man that can wrangle up four to six punch combinations, stop on a dime, pot shot, & then slide out of the way unscathed or drop his hands to his side or behind his back & then fire speedy & accurate from the hip…soon to follow with another rally...that's the man that get’s my vote for a sound technical background.
Now…athletically speaking…that very man who can do such…& then top it off with often going entire fights or a handful of rounds & not getting touched with 1 or less than 5 to 6 shots all night long…I think ole’ Snakey has enough smarts to get away with a statement like that.
Jones was both athletically superior & also technically gifted compared to the every day contender here, there, & everywhere…even shoulder to shoulder with most champs.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
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Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.[/quote]
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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What the fuck is all of this?
You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote.... :(
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
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Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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What the F*** is all of this?
You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote.... :(
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That is what Ice COLD Boxing calls "winning".
Almost dizzying...his intellect...when you put all that hammer type with it, I mean. ;D
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it ;)
I often find your adolescent assumptions ammusing half way through...but considering myself having lost something? Nah...only flesh off of my finger tips typing text that you quite often shift a few words to better suit a later purpose in your favor.
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Nah but seriously i find it easier to do it that way, i can't believe some people find it hard to read. I think it breaks long sentences down and its easier to read.
This coming from the man who quite often refused puncuation...or was that 140? I so often confuse the two. ;) ;D :-*
I often find your adolescent assumptions ammusing half way through...but considering myself having lost something? Nah...only flesh off of my finger tips typing text that you quite often shift a few words to better suit a later purpose in your favor.
You backed out first old man, can't you handle me oldie ?? ;)
This coming from the man who quite often refused puncuation...or was that 140? I so often confuse the two. ;) ;D :-*
So what ?? im not very good at punctuation as you can see, but at least im trying :-\
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.
How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
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quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
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Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
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I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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What the F*** is all of this?
You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote.... :(
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That is what Ice COLD Boxing calls "winning".
Almost dizzying...his intellect...when you put all that hammer type with it, I mean. ;D
[/quote] I was actually joking when i said that comment, no one actually wins in a debate. Although you did back out ;D
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.
Alright...this is what I always find amusing with you about this winning thing.
When things start going south with you on the "winning scale" you always throw in that extra word that I never used.
In this arguement...it would be the fact that I said Jones was a "technically sound boxer" & you toss in "textbook technical fighter".
Now you know that I never said that...pretty much the contrary when I describe Jones's abilities & the fact that he fires of multiple punch combos & then slides out or puts his hands behind his back.
Floyd & Jones are very similar fighters in the volume & atletically sound departements...the difference being that Jones's defense relies more on his reflexes where as Floyd operates a sure fire defense.
Now I aint sure what you consider technical or the likes...but apparently you are going to curb whatever I say with "textbook" or maybe you'll even throw in a "technical smhenical" or two & then say you won & that I backed out...when in fact...I implore you...just stick to the search engine answers instead of tweaking mine.
Now...I bid you good evening & wish you a Happy New Year...keep that post count up...you know that even though I may slack off...or maybe even back down from these...arguements of ours...I'll still be here fighting you & GOOGLE...shoulder to shoulder...toe to toe...boxing brain vs keyboard & search engine...so you just remember...there's no easy way out...there's no short cut home...and in the end...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCPPP4giSqc
I WILL BRRRRRRRRRRRRREAK YOU!
Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.
How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.
ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.
Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.
How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.
ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.
Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
I disagree. Athleticism and technicality do not go hand in hand, and furthermore, a fighter can have a hall-of-fame career without being technically sound. The alternative is to be unorthodox, which is what Roy Jones was. Athleticism will help both a fighter who is technically sound and a fighter who is unorthodox. Larry Holmes is a perfect example of a fighter who is technically sound. Roy is an example of a fighter who is unorthodox. Both are hall of famers.
