Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
Me sentiments exactly...
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
I don't get this thinking? It was a VERY close fight between Shane and Cotto, and I honestly scored it a draw. Too much running by Cotto in the later rounds for my taste; call it "boxing" if you want...your opinion...I call it running. In any case, Mosley is still a formidable opponent for anyone at 147, so I don't see how Williams calling him out as a bad thing. I'm sure he'd rather have Cotto, but he knows the score in terms of needing to get some bigger names on his resume in order to get that fight. Arum will avoid him for as long as he can.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
Im a huge fan of Sugar Shane . At his best I belive he was one of the all time greats he was that good . But if he met Williams , my money would have to be on Paul at this stage.
Someone make Williams - Floyd . Not a massive fight by any means and I cant see it selling but in an ideal world id love to see it .
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
I don't judge what happens in a fight by what a guys face looks like after, I know he took some good shots from Shane, still not as many as Shane took from Cotto. I'm just confused as to when Cotto "ran", he won the majority of the rounds when they were fighting more toe to toe and then boxed later on in the fight. Now maybe he boxed out of respect for Shane but it was still boxing not running. There's a huge difference between boxing and running. ODLH ran in the last rounds against Tito and lost them all, Cotto boxed well, winning at least two of the last four IMO on clean punching whether Shane was walking forward or not.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
What the fuk? Who wants to be a guy that "beats people up" but loses decisions all the time?! I don't think that is Shane's mindset. I think he comes to win and fights in the manner that will give him the best chance to come out with the W. He likes to break fighters down yeah, but his goal is not to beat them up and lose rounds and not care that he loses. He'd have a lot more Losses and a lot less Wins if that were the case.
You really think Shane uses the best strategy to win his fights? I don't think it's that he doesn't care if he loses, his fighting instinct takes over and he is aggressive. Most people (myself included) think that Shane's biggest weakness was staying with his father as a trainer so long, and they don't develop the best fight plans. Pretty damn good as evidenced by his record, but a little short of where his ability COULD have taken him. I am a fan of Mosley, but he's fallen a little shorter than could have been. I do respect the loyalty and integrity though. Shane is a great fighter and he fights, not just boxes. He could have used his advantages and won a couple of the fights he lost, but he chose to fight and try to stop them, rather than win a decision.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Props to Paul for calling him out, but I don't think it's a good decision right now. One, Quintana is a tough fight for him. Two, Mosley only loses fights on game plan breakdowns, not skill or power or speed. He made Cotto back up for half the fight, walked through his best shots, and hurt him several times. He lost a points decision, but in reality he beat up Cotto. Just like the second ODH fight. You could have given the points to ODH but Shane beat him down. Same with Cotto. He beat him up, put him on his bike and made the puncher become the boxer because he was losing the punching game. Shane is a monster for anyone, even if Paul won a decision based on his activity, he would get his a*** beat. No joke. Even Winky in the second fight took a beating in my opinion, Shane just didn't have enough pop to one punch ko people at that weight and he was fighting like he has one punch power. But he hurt Winky and moved forward the whole fight against the bigger man. Shane doesn't care about the score so much, he just wants to fight and is willing to take their punches to give his own. His style doesn't suit his strengths as much, but damn you gotta love a guy that fights like that. He could easily outbox and win safe decisions but he comes to fight. It would be a great fight and PW might win the battle but lose the war. Shane whoops him and gives away a point victory by not dodging a single punch, just walking through them to deliver his own.
Shane's a tough guy and he did hit Cotto with some good shots but that's a pretty big exaggeration to say he "beat up" Cotto. Cotto at the end boxed very well, its not like Shane sweeped the late rounds by any means.
Maybe you have a better case with the second ODLH fight but I still wouldn't say he beat Oscar up. I gave him the decision for landing the harder punches but it was still a close fight.
Look at Cotto's face after the fight. Shane didn't sweep the rounds, but he made Cotto run. Shane was chasing him and made Cotto box.
ODH was on his last leg at the end of the fight, going backwards, bleeding, swollen up, out of breath, Shane whooped him but arguably could have lost a decision on points.
I don't judge what happens in a fight by what a guys face looks like after, I know he took some good shots from Shane, still not as many as Shane took from Cotto. I'm just confused as to when Cotto "ran", he won the majority of the rounds when they were fighting more toe to toe and then boxed later on in the fight. Now maybe he boxed out of respect for Shane but it was still boxing not running. There's a huge difference between boxing and running. ODLH ran in the last rounds against Tito and lost them all, Cotto boxed well, winning at least two of the last four IMO on clean punching whether Shane was walking forward or not.
It is arguable on who won the rounds. I consider a role reversal from the puncher to the boxer, as significant. Also the faces at the end of the fight tell the story, counting the shots is less important than the damage they did. I think Cotto landed lots of stiff jabs that snapped Shane's head back but didn't do real damage. Either way the fight could have gone either way, I am not arguing the Cotto fight, just saying Williams is in for a long night with Mosley win or lose.
Re: Paul Williams wants Shane Mosley after Quintana.
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Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
I disagree....Calling out Mosley on a loss?.....
Who else can Williams call out? He's already called out Floyd, Cotto, and Cintron, but those guys are unavailable. He must wait in line until Mayweather decides if he wants to risk his life against Cotto, he must wait in line until Cotto gets tired of calling out Floyd and fights Oscar, and he must wait until Cintron's hand heals, he fights Clottey, and everyone stops laughing over his recent calling out of Margarito and Cotto.
Mosley is a good fighter to put on your resume and more importantly, Mosley, despite a recent loss, is very good competition. Under the circumstances, calling out Mosley is a good move for Williams IMO.
