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I paid a worker at New York's zoo to re-open it just for me and Robin. When we got to the gorilla cage there was 1 big silverback gorilla there just bullying all the other gorillas. They were so powerful but their eyes were like an innocent infant. I offered the attendant $10,000 to open the cage and let smash that silverback's snotbox! He declined."
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I think Tyson's win over Berbick was very overrated, considering journeyman Bernardo Mercado destroyed Berbick in even quicker time in 1 round back in 79.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Hey all I was saying was that he was able to be KO'd by a guy that doesn't throw combinations much more so than anyone who did and it's the 100% truth considering the FACTS that are held within his record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn
No combination puncher gave Lewis a loss or really tested him unless you count Holyfield and Lewis still beat him
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Originally Posted by Lyle
I can understand your point...I misunderstood what you were saying...My fault..CC...
As for the two losses sadly enough..those are the only 2 things that will haunt his legecy :-\
Yeah, other than that he had almost a perfect career.....choosing to fight Vitali also left questions about Lewis but he won and retired and not a minute too soon.
CC
as everyone probly knows im a HUGE Tyson fan. And yes i think a young Mike would beat any Lewis and not just becuase of his power....his handspeed and the way he delivered the power was amazing for a heavy. I understand what ICB is saying that he is underated and overated at the same time however i am one of those who thinks at very least a young prime Tyson gives any heavy ever a very very tough nites work.
I agree. Whilst Tyson did suffer and benefit from hype, I think he has to be in the top ten heavyweights of all time, and I think he was capable of beating any of them in his prime. It would have taken fantastic movement, a fantastic jab and a fantastic chin to have overcome him, and I don't think many heavyweights had that combination.
Tyson was over rated. Name the great fighters Tyson beat... thats right, its pretty hard. Spinks came into that fight terrified and got beat. Its not Tyson's fault his division was weak, but he really didn't beat anyone very good. Holmes was beyond ancient. Berbick a bum. He fought some decent fighters, but beat no one great. Most of his high light real KOs were against total zeros. When he fought great fighters he generally lost. I'm sorry, but I am a real big one for proving your greatness against other great fighters to be considered an all timer and Tyson doesn't pass my test. All time great fighters beat a number of other great fighters and several very good fighters. Tyson beat 1 great fighter in Spinks and several other merely good fighters and a whole bunch of bums.
Everyone has a great highlight real against bums.
How can you say Tyson was overrated and then say it wasnt his fault he came across a weak heavyweight division?Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
Was Mike the best heavyweight in that division at the time he was ruling it, yes or no?
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He wasnt overrated, he just had a weak division.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
A lot of those guys that Tyson destroyed were world class, but when Tyson got done they were forever ruined. So after Tyson virtually ends these world class heavyweights' careers, the haters try to sat that these guys were over-rated to begin with :-\
This is a conditition that has been been recognized in today's world of boxing.............
The people that say that Young Tyson was over-rated and fought bums suffer from the condition that is now known as haterism............ as evidenced by those who challenge PBF's greatness ;)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :coolclick:
We agree on somthing.
Tyson was lucky in that his prime was at a time the HWD needed a exciting superstar and he fitted the bill.Also the late 80s lacked good HW.
If Tyson's prime was in the 90s I dont think he would not have had the same sucsess because the quality of fighter was much better.
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Originally Posted by porkypara
the 80s needed a good heavy? who was their except larry holmes who would be considered world class, shavers? i bet alot of people donmt think hes worthy of an all time gr8 position, and holmes was considered great.
with lewis their was only holyfield, i dont think tyson should be counted. and lewis only won after a draw, which was a robbery to be fair but the 2nd fight was damm close enough.
What an utter complete F****** twat! Tyson would have beat Lewis with ease in his prime and i would fight anybody to make this claim, you're right we can't prove it and turn back time, but there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever,Tyson would have spanked Lewis, it would have been a early win for Tyson, without a shadow of a doubt. F****** cock dunno what he's talking about! To say he doesn't have heart, you're kidding me, he was the youngest heavyweight champion and you can say all this rubbish about the division being filled with B fighters, had it been filled with Lewis and others, Tyson would still have cleaned them out. Makes me fucking angry really does, Tyson is not a good person true but to question his fighting ability is a crime! Had he steered clear from Don "The Manipulator" King, he would have gone down as the best heavyweight ever. FACT!
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Originally Posted by TheT-Unit
Well tough guy you would be fighting a long line of people.....The division was filled with a lot of fighters either on the way down or never were's when Tyson was in his prime....Do we want to go over his resume?....He lost to every fighter that came forward and pressed the action....Douglas,,,Holyfield...and those he did not lose to he had difficulity or could not stop them....
As for spanking Lewis...No HW in history would spank a prime Lennox Lewis...there is a difference between a win and a spanking....
Lennox long arms and the way he would get his left out would have been extra work for Tysons bob and weave...Lewis would have caught Tyson with the right coming in a fair amount of the time....Lewis straight right was harder then any of Tysons punches...Mike was a volume puncher...he never KO'd a quality fighter with one shot...his best one punch KO was over Botha..and Botha gave him all he could handle until that point....
Before you come here and start insulting the regular poster brush up on your Boxing knowledge...because on that post alone I can pick you apart all day...Cockney has more boxing knowledge in his little finger then you do in your wholr brain
You are dismissed!!!!...and can come back when you develope some manners
He was over rated in my opinion. He is not a top 5 alltime Heavy like a lot of people have him. Like I said his division was weak and thats not his fault, but its still a fact he did not prove his greatness against any other great fighter. Those guys were ranked high? Well I guess. What top 50 All time Heavyweight did Tyson beat? Holmes was too old. Spinks was a blown up light heavy who didn't even show to fight. Holyfield beat him 2x and Lewis, well we know what he did to Mike. Would've liked to see him fight Bowe. I think Bowe beats Tyson because of his great jab. Tyson looked great KOing all those guys with 3-12 records. He KOed some other good journey man fighters, but lets face it. He wasn't out there KOing any great fighters. Lewis rates higher to me and he fought better competition over all IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty