Re: Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time, finalized list
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Rookie, If you go to the upload area, Mick was kind enough to upload and old favourite of mine called the latin legends. Gavilan features extensively.
Thanks donny, I'll give it a look.
Re: Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time, finalized list
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Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry- Curry UD Same reasons as Rookie
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino- SRR
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya- Leonard UD
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong- Griffith UD
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan- Tito KO4
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown- Hearns KO 8
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker- Whitaker UD
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott- Napoles? no reason
CC my friend, agreed on this one. Tito was brilliant at 147 (And 154), but with these unsuccessful comebacks in weight classes he does not belong in you have some shallow fans that have lost respect for him and think that anyone can come along and beat him, BULLSHIT, at 147 Tito was one of the greatest of all time and I don't see an OLD SCHOOL Kid Gavilan beating him (Specially when alot of these people never saw him fight)
I am changing my view on Trinidad V Gavilan ( I know little on Gavilan except what i read in The Ring) Gavilan lost to many fights IMO and Tito would win. He was awesome at 147lb and you are correct in pointing this out . Trinidad V Gavilan = Tito KO 6
Well I can say I voted for Gavilan because I've seen about 23 of his fights.
I really hate to burst your guys buble but Gavilan fought 143 time he lost 30 fights and NOT 1 SINGLE fight came by way of KO/TKO.
The man was never stopped in a fight he fought ALL TIME great fighters like Ike Williams (3times), SRR (2times), Beau Jack, Billy Graham (4times), Carmen Basilio, Carl Olson. Gavilan fought the best opposition available other fighters like Tony DeMarco, Chico Vejar, Gene Hairston, Bobby Dykes, Gil Turner, Johnny Bratton. I mean if you go thru the rankings these fighters were at the top of the rankings.
Not one of them was able to stop him so I gotta say I'm really skeptic about Tito being able to stop him. In his fights with SRR, in the 1st fight SRR catches Gavilan flush with some good shots but Gavilan shook them off and fought on. Gavilan moved well and had an awkward style in his prime he was an animal. Anythings possible here in these potential matchups I mean I have Oscar beating SRL so that's that.
Just thought I'd point out The Cuban Hawk was not stopped in a fight, in a career that spaned from 1943 to 1958. 2 fighters only ever droped Gavilan that was Ike & Carmen no one else.
Trust you Mick to come up with a great review of Gavilan's career. This match up is really difficult and one that has points for both fighters. Tito had great power at 147lb and must be rated as one of the hardest punching Welters ever but Gavilan's career was impressive. I've done some more research and he lost to much bigger guys a number of times. It took Middleweights and Light Heavys to beat him...DRAW ;)
CC#82 on me THIRDMAN and thanks for the comments...
It really is a tough matchup and IMO the hardest one to choose from here.
Truth be told Titos raw power vs. Gavilans granite chin makes it that more difficult.
Also congrats on the 1k post.... ;)
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Floyd Mayweather jr. vs. Donald Curry- Curry UD Same reasons as Rookie
Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Carlos Palomino- SRR
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Oscar De La Hoya- Leonard UD
Emile Griffith vs. Henry Armstrong- Griffith UD
Felix Trinidad vs. Kid Gavilan- Tito KO4
Thomas Hearns vs. Simon Brown- Hearns KO 8
Pipino Cuevas vs. Pernell Whitaker- Whitaker UD
Jose Angel Napoles vs. 'Barbados' Joe Walcott- Napoles? no reason
CC my friend, agreed on this one. Tito was brilliant at 147 (And 154), but with these unsuccessful comebacks in weight classes he does not belong in you have some shallow fans that have lost respect for him and think that anyone can come along and beat him, BULLSHIT, at 147 Tito was one of the greatest of all time and I don't see an OLD SCHOOL Kid Gavilan beating him (Specially when alot of these people never saw him fight)
I am changing my view on Trinidad V Gavilan ( I know little on Gavilan except what i read in The Ring) Gavilan lost to many fights IMO and Tito would win. He was awesome at 147lb and you are correct in pointing this out . Trinidad V Gavilan = Tito KO 6
Well I can say I voted for Gavilan because I've seen about 23 of his fights.
I really hate to burst your guys buble but Gavilan fought 143 time he lost 30 fights and NOT 1 SINGLE fight came by way of KO/TKO.
The man was never stopped in a fight he fought ALL TIME great fighters like Ike Williams (3times), SRR (2times), Beau Jack, Billy Graham (4times), Carmen Basilio, Carl Olson. Gavilan fought the best opposition available other fighters like Tony DeMarco, Chico Vejar, Gene Hairston, Bobby Dykes, Gil Turner, Johnny Bratton. I mean if you go thru the rankings these fighters were at the top of the rankings.
Not one of them was able to stop him so I gotta say I'm really skeptic about Tito being able to stop him. In his fights with SRR, in the 1st fight SRR catches Gavilan flush with some good shots but Gavilan shook them off and fought on. Gavilan moved well and had an awkward style in his prime he was an animal. Anythings possible here in these potential matchups I mean I have Oscar beating SRL so that's that.
Just thought I'd point out The Cuban Hawk was not stopped in a fight, in a career that spaned from 1943 to 1958. 2 fighters only ever droped Gavilan that was Ike & Carmen no one else.
CC Mick for the input. I have not seen Gavilan fight so I did not vote on that one even though like most of you know I am a HUGE Tito fan. I did look at his reccord on boxrec and noticed some big names and the fact that he had never been stopped really impressed me. But then again, Tito did not have to stop you to beat you, he was a damn good fighter in his day and is undefeated as a welter which is more than I can say for most of the guys on this list. It is really a tough match up.
But if you have DLH over Leonard than there is nothing wrong with me saying Tito over Gavilan by Split Decision.
CC#131 on me RookieFan....
Oh! trust me I have no problems with the Tito 'win' the problem I did have was believing that Tito could TKO Gavilan in 4 rounds. Gavilan having one of the best chins of all time.
Loving this matchup here and how it's created a really good debate here....
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Re: Saddoboxing's greatest welterweight of all-time, finalized list
Why is Honeyghan out and Simon Brown or Mayweather in? He would have beaten both IMO.
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CC Mick for the awesome info on Gavilan,I didn't know that! Wow!
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ok....so how long does the first round stay open for? and when is the second round drawn and posted?? this is fun this thread!!
