Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Just you all wait, when Witter gets himself that tiny bit more of a name and another belt, Hatton will want him. He's waiting for the best time for it,
Witter is considered by pretty much every boxing fan who knows what there talking about to be 2nd or 3rd best Jr Welterweight in the world. So why does Witter have to make a name for himself ?? if thats the case then why did Hatton fight the virtually unknown Juan Urango ?? and why was Hatton considering fighting Rees who is much more less of a name than Witter is.
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
As you have all said he is the number two and rightly so, why doesnt he get himself even better status and defiantly earn that Hatton fight. I will accept Hatton is ducking him if this is the case but untill then to say Hatton is scared of Witter is just S*** really, hes not scared at all. Hes just waiting for Witter to become more of a challenger in the respect it will get more PPV and more legacy cementing.
You just said yourself that you consider Witter the 2nd best Jr Welterweight in the world yes ?? so why does Witter have to get himself a better status if you and mostly every boxing fan consider him the 2nd best Jr Welterweight ?? Witter is already doing the right thing but fighting Hopkins and getting himself a name over in USA. So if Hatton does not fight Witter after that then that will be very disappointing on Hatton's part plus it will look very suspicious IMO. Witter has been calling Hatton out for years the fans want to see who really is number 1 Jr Welterweight in the world so why should Witter have to keep waiting ??
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
If Witter beat Paulio Mallinagi, Gavin Rees and Ricardo Torres and faught Hatton, that would look x10 better if Hatton beat him, if he faught him now, it would just be another 140 fighter on Hattons record and what does that do for legacy? Not a lot i think.
That would take another 2 years at least will Hatton even be fighting then ??
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
It would be a HUGE domestic match,it's a winnable fight imo and would make him lots of £££ AND get him a win over arguably the second best 140 pounder.I'm not saying it has to happen right away but, I read and continue to read everywhere that he does not want to fight Witter because Witter keeps bad mouthing him? Erm....I'm sorry,isn't this the same Hatton that was saying noone wants to see Floyd fight,he's boring,mocking his training etc etc? Isn't that how he got the Floyd fight?
He's skeered.
SKEERED I SAY!!!
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
He's claiming to be a world champion but until he fights Witter he can't even claim to be Northern Area champion. He fought endless has beens and never wasses between winning the WBU belt and Tszyu but unquestionably shied away from fighting Witter, otherwise they'd have fought around that time. Hatton certainly isn't confident of beating him, is he ?
EDIT : And he got in the ring with Judah on a few day's notice as a novice pro. He didn't fight nearly 40 tomato cans before fighting a world champion in his prime.
And who has Junior fought? On the domestic scene he was quite bold, but internationally? His resume is highlighted by Vivian Harris.....An old Vivian Harris.
If you wish to bering forward the other name Zab Judah, he has nothing to be proud of. Sure he entered at late notice, but how can that excuse being so intimidated he didn't engage for the whole "fight."
I will reiterate what has been said too many times at this stage; If Hatton was afraid of losing why wouyld he fight Mayweather? If he was afraid of losing why would he take on Kostya Tszyu, who Ko'd the man who beat Witter soundly?
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Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
Hatton needs a confidence builder before he goes after Witter. I think Witter beats him either way but Hatton should take an easier fight first.
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He fears Witter,the guy is finished!!!!
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Just you all wait, when Witter gets himself that tiny bit more of a name and another belt, Hatton will want him. He's waiting for the best time for it, why not fight Witter when he has more of a name and another belt instead of right now? As you have all said he is the number two and rightly so, why doesnt he get himself even better status and defiantly earn that Hatton fight. I will accept Hatton is ducking him if this is the case but untill then to say Hatton is scared of Witter is just S*** really, hes not scared at all. Hes just waiting for Witter to become more of a challenger in the respect it will get more PPV and more legacy cementing.
If Witter beat Paulio Mallinagi, Gavin Rees and Ricardo Torres and faught Hatton, that would look x10 better if Hatton beat him, if he faught him now, it would just be another 140 fighter on Hattons record and what does that do for legacy? Not a lot i think. If Witter can get more of a name and Hatton fights against Him,Diaz and Manny Pac, thats what I call a legacy for Hatton. The floyd loss can go on the grounds that he was the best fighter in the world and Hatton showed his balls and faught and lost to the best in the world. But in doing that he did his best.
I think that Witter is capable of fighting the names at 140 and in doing so he will get a better name for himself to set up the Hatton fight. I just cant make this point anymore clearer in defence of Ricky, I believe that by this time next year we will see Witter fully deserving the fight and it will be a SUPERFIGHT at 140. For all of the belts, the ring magazine belt and a S*** load of money. Both fighters get a better legacy, all will go down better for the fans too.
So what would you prefer that to happen or Hatton fight Witter now when he has no name in the USA and a WBC belt which doesnt mean too much, or a fight for all 4 belts, legacy, lots of money and something that the fans in Britian will deserve... I know which one i would choose! ;)
Your right Hatton is waiting for the best time. Witter is 33. A couple of more years and Witter would be 35, 36. He'll lose some of his reflexes and speed. He'll be less of a threat. Than Hatton would jump at the chance to face him. Hatton's coward a** ain't fooling nobody. It's been his pattern his whole career. Anybody that can't see that is just a blind groupie.
But wont Hattons skills fall as well in 2 years? Witter is a nobody at this momment, he needs just a couple more names on his record and one more belt and that will be enough to tempt Hatton. I just dont understand why people dont want Witter to get even more status in order to fight Hatton. Hattons last few fights have to be against GOOD named fighters, at this momment I only see Witter as just another 140 pounder, not a career defineing fighting who offers something good on Hattons record. But im not saying that Witter can be something defining on his record just a win over D hop and another belt in my eyes will be enough for him to warrent the Hatton fight. I dont see what the problem for that is? In the end it will just make the fight bigger than it could be now, so just be patient and let the 140 devision unfold.
What would you all say if Witter got KTFO in his next fight anyway? I would just see him as another 140 pounder.
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
Kirkland:
Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
In boxing, anything is possible, who knows perhaps Witter could pull the upset, but is it likely?
Your assumptiuon that Witter would win is an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it is by no means the common consensus or a commonly held belief in boxing.
If Hatton does fight Witter what prevents the press (particularily the American press) from labeling it a gimme fight against a domestic opponent? Will that add credit to his legacy?
Gamo:
He was fighting Tszyu as HUGE underdog, so he had everything to gain and nothing to lose. Against Mayweather,he was fighting the best fighter in the world,no shame in losing there. Fighting Witter is different. It's a fight he won't be entering as an underdog. It's a fight he won't be entering with nothing to lose. I think that's a legitimate reasons why he does not want to fight Witter.
I'm not defending who Witter has fought at all but I don't understand Hatton's logic in not fighting him at some point.
So you feel that it's a fight Ricky would be a heavy favourite entering, he would be confident himself and thats why he's hesitant to fight him?
As I've said before I feel Hatton will box him at some point, but I do not feeel it will be immediate.
The fight is in demand yes, but by who? The British public primarily. There is little demand for this fight outside of the UK and it is a distinct possability the fight will be frowned upon by the American and global public who have alternative fights to offer him.
Sanj16:
to be fair it was very early in Witter's career and he did get the fight last minute.
At that time Judah was talked about as being a top level fighter who was lining up a fight with Kosta. He was also
touted as the man who would give PBF his toughest test. These are the 2 fighters that Hatton has most aclaim for facing
and he lost comprehensively to one. These were both when he was at the peak of his powers and had a perfect training camp.
Who knows what Witter may have managed if he had a bit more experience and confidence when he did fight Zab.
I wouldn't mind seeing Witter avenge that loss though
He got the fight two weeks before. That is sudden for any fighter of any calibre.
However, fans cannot have butter on both sides of the bread, they cannot praise their man for being always ready and willing tio fight anyone and then turn around and use the same as an excuse.
"He's always ready to fight and he's not afraid, but against Zab he wasn't ready and he was unprepared."
Against PBF, Hatton, was outboxed, outthought and outfought in a reasonably brave effort. But against Zab, Witter was intimidated out of performing, which do you find more demeaning?
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Because his confidence is severely knocked and in his current mental state he could be beaten by Witter.
If he loses to Junior however the risk is much higher cuz hed never be able to hold his head up high in public again and would be exposed as the 2nd or 3rd best fighter in Britain .
I read you Donny.... guess the safest bet for the fragile "Do not hit me Hatton"
is Laila Ali !!
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
Hattons no excuse to not fight Witter, he's made his money so why not give the fans
the fight they want? Witters said he can have the bigger share of the money so whats the problem.
I think he's scared of losing to Witter but it would be better to man up rather than run scared
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Kirkland:
Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
In boxing, anything is possible, who knows perhaps Witter could pull the upset, but is it likely?
Your assumptiuon that Witter would win is an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it is by no means the common consensus or a commonly held belief in boxing.
If Hatton does fight Witter what prevents the press (particularily the American press) from labeling it a gimme fight against a domestic opponent? Will that add credit to his legacy?
It's very likely that Witter would beat Hatton. Hatton's style is made for him and Witter has the ability to make Hatton look very bad indeed.
I'm not sure whether a Hatton win is such a commonly held view. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think Witter would beat him.
Hatton is likely to take a far easier fight than Witter next and for subsequent fights too. How can fighting a WBC champion be seen as a gimme? Fighting Witter, the WBC champ and number one 140 pound contender is the least easy option at 140. Can you think of anybody who could give him a tougher fight at 140?
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Kirkland:
Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
In boxing, anything is possible, who knows perhaps Witter could pull the upset, but is it likely?
Your assumptiuon that Witter would win is an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it is by no means the common consensus or a commonly held belief in boxing.
If Hatton does fight Witter what prevents the press (particularily the American press) from labeling it a gimme fight against a domestic opponent? Will that add credit to his legacy?
It's very likely that Witter would beat Hatton. Hatton's style is made for him and Witter has the ability to make Hatton look very bad indeed.
I'm not sure whether a Hatton win is such a commonly held view. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think Witter would beat him.
Hatton is likely to take a far easier fight than Witter next and for subsequent fights too. How can fighting a WBC champion be seen as a gimme? Fighting Witter, the WBC champ and number one 140 pound contender is the least easy option at 140.
Can you think of anybody who could give him a tougher fight at 140?
Ricardo Torres and Kendall Holt would punish Hatton.
Probably Witter, too.
Re: Why doesn't Hatton get over himself and fight Witter?
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
It will happen as soon as Witter gets himself more of a name in the states, by beating dhop he does this and then that means more money for both fighters...
Witter is never going to get himself a "name" in the states. Hatton isn't a name in the states. Not even close. If anyone does know him, it's just as a fighter who was KO'ed by Mayweather(if they even know him) and made to look better than he was in the 24/7 series. I had a bunch on friends over to watch that fight, basically only one of them being a fellow boxing fan who follows the sport. Everyone else was telling me the same thing. "Hatton isn't that good at all, I thought he was going to be all over MAyweather's body, he can't land anything, he's just trying to wrestle, etc." Now most of them had no appreciation for what Mayweather was doing in there either, they just don't know what to look for in a technical matchup. But, the point is that there is virtually NO interest in the States to see Hatton fight. All the analysis on the TV networks after the fight echoed similar sentiment.. "I really was lead to believe Ricky Hatton was better than he was in there, Floyd was in control the whole fight", I remember one announcer saying. End of discussion. You in the UK may not like it, but Hatton is only a massive draw within his own country(as with most fighters, sure). However, a fight between he and Witter would still do very well over there, and it isn't going to get much bigger with time. I do agree a good win by Witter on HBO should come before the matchup... But don't get it twisted into thinking that him beating Dhop will draw an audience from the US.. It wouldn't. Dhop isn't known at all either.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hatton's coward a** ain't fooling nobody. It's been his pattern his whole career.
You're damn right. Hatton called out the best pound for pound fighter in the world when no person outside his own family gave him a shot to win, but he's a real coward for not fighting the economic non-entity Witter. You've got him pegged, dude ???
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Kirkland:
Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
In boxing, anything is possible, who knows perhaps Witter could pull the upset, but is it likely?
Your assumptiuon that Witter would win is an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it is by no means the common consensus or a commonly held belief in boxing.
If Hatton does fight Witter what prevents the press (particularily the American press) from labeling it a gimme fight against a domestic opponent? Will that add credit to his legacy?
It's very likely that Witter would beat Hatton. Hatton's style is made for him and Witter has the ability to make Hatton look very bad indeed.
I'm not sure whether a Hatton win is such a commonly held view. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think Witter would beat him.
Hatton is likely to take a far easier fight than Witter next and for subsequent fights too. How can fighting a WBC champion be seen as a gimme? Fighting Witter, the WBC champ and number one 140 pound contender is the least easy option at 140.
Can you think of anybody who could give him a tougher fight at 140?
Ricardo Torres and Kendall Holt would punish Hatton.
Probably Witter, too.
Torres beat Holt but got KO'd by Cotto at 140. Other than Cotto he's fought nobody I've heard of. I'd go for Ricky in that fight. That could well be his next fight too.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Kirkland:
Witter is the WBC champ, the recognised number one contender. And he lives a hundred miles away from Hatton.
Hatton fought Floyd for the huge payday. Losing at a higher weight to the p4p number one is no disgrace but losing at the weight you're supposed to be world number one at to a bloke up the road makes your career look like a bit of a fraud.
In boxing, anything is possible, who knows perhaps Witter could pull the upset, but is it likely?
Your assumptiuon that Witter would win is an opinion and you're entitled to it, but it is by no means the common consensus or a commonly held belief in boxing.
If Hatton does fight Witter what prevents the press (particularily the American press) from labeling it a gimme fight against a domestic opponent? Will that add credit to his legacy?
It's very likely that Witter would beat Hatton. Hatton's style is made for him and Witter has the ability to make Hatton look very bad indeed.
I'm not sure whether a Hatton win is such a commonly held view. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think Witter would beat him.
Hatton is likely to take a far easier fight than Witter next and for subsequent fights too. How can fighting a WBC champion be seen as a gimme? Fighting Witter, the WBC champ and number one 140 pound contender is the least easy option at 140.
Can you think of anybody who could give him a tougher fight at 140?
Ricardo Torres and Kendall Holt would punish Hatton.
Probably Witter, too.
Torres beat Holt but got KO'd by Cotto at 140. Other than Cotto he's fought nobody I've heard of. I'd go for Ricky in that fight. That could well be his next fight too.
You forget how much of a beating he imposed on Cotto.......
