P4P Best punchers All time

Duran was never a devastating puncher, even as a lightweight. He had very good power, in all his shots, but even at 135 he wore guys down. He retained his power throughout the 15 rounds which was remarkable, but he should never be included in such a list. Nigel Benn's inclusion at super middle is myopic to say the least. Benn didn't carry his firepower up to SM and his records reveals everything you need to know. Even as a middle weight, in true world class company, he wasn't nearly as devastating as say Jackson or Mcellen. Not even in the same ballpark.

Hearns hit harder than Norris did at JR middle, no question. And the gold toothed swaggering Mexican Oliveres is a must inclusion.

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Originally Posted by Terry Nutkins

Duran was never a devastating puncher, even as a lightweight. He had very good power, in all his shots, but even at 135 he wore guys down. He retained his power throughout the 15 rounds which was remarkable, but he should never be included in such a list. Nigel Benn's inclusion at super middle is myopic to say the least. Benn didn't carry his firepower up to SM and his records reveals everything you need to know. Even as a middle weight, in true world class company, he wasn't nearly as devastating as say Jackson or Mcellen. Not even in the same ballpark.

Hearns hit harder than Norris did at JR middle, no question. And the gold toothed swaggering Mexican Oliveres is a must inclusion.

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Duran knocked out guys over 30 pounds above where he started, he's included. He also made Leonard forget about 4 rounds of their first fight with one left hook, Hearns wasn't ever able to do anything like that. Also about Nigel Benn watch him against McClellan again, he was easily hitting as hard as Gerald.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

All the guys mentioned above are good choices, but I think the undisputed #1 P4P best puncher of all time has to be Julian Jackson. That guy has sick, sick power.

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Tyson and then Jackson for me, Jackson was devastating, could you have imagined a Trinidad Vs Jackson fight, remember the destruction of Norris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Id6-oOY1U

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Originally Posted by Terry Nutkins

Duran was never a devastating puncher, even as a lightweight. He had very good power, in all his shots, but even at 135 he wore guys down. He retained his power throughout the 15 rounds which was remarkable, but he should never be included in such a list. Nigel Benn's inclusion at super middle is myopic to say the least. Benn didn't carry his firepower up to SM and his records reveals everything you need to know. Even as a middle weight, in true world class company, he wasn't nearly as devastating as say Jackson or Mcellen. Not even in the same ballpark.

Hearns hit harder than Norris did at JR middle, no question. And the gold toothed swaggering Mexican Oliveres is a must inclusion.

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Benn was still a very devastating puncher at Super Middleweight his power didn't change that much, if Benn isn't in your *list* then who else should be at Super Middleweight then ?? Jackson never fought at Super Middleweight, McClellan only fought once at Super Middleweight vs Benn and he lost so you cannot rate him at Super Middleweight, And as for Benn's power he did KO Barkley, Dewitt who went 12 rounds with Hearns, and he also was the only boxer to ever stop Robbie Sims as well.

I already included Hearns at Welterweight i don't put 2 of the same boxers in my lists, thats why i put Norris at Jr Middleweight otherwise i would of put Jackson twice at Jr Middleweight and Middleweight. And Olivares almost made my list but IMO Zarate is one of the best KO artists of all time so he for certain deserves to be there IMO.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Bqack to talking about power.
Naturally Julian Jackson is on damn near everybodies list.
Gerald McClellan deserves a mention.
p4p well you can't ignore Thomas Hearns at welter.
Jimmy Wilde, always to be remebered.
[b]Alexis Arguello and Kostya Tszyu.
Carlos Monzon was pretty destructive although perhaps not in one punch.

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Wilde ....nice one CC at you donny. I like that. Throwing in some old school guys.

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Originally Posted by southakron314

Shavers
Jackson
Robinson
Greb
Marciano
Hearns
Pavlik
Tyson
Baer
Gomez

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Greb wasn't a big puncher he only had 48 KO's out of like 260 wins, Greb was a volume puncher not a devastating puncher.

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I like to put Greb in everything.But I tried to think and I put in the wrong guy. I meant to put in Wilde like Donny did thats why I gave him CC. He was probably the dirtiest fighter ever though.

How about today.
Pavlik , Miranda , Pacman , Vitali ,

How would Pavlik or Miranda compare to Jackson and Robinson? I dont know. Miranda can punch with any middle weight out there for the last two decades so can Pavlik. They both have Tyson like numbers with all of the first round knockouts and knock out percentage. I think pound for pound its Shavers. No , not cause he is from Northeast Ohio ( Youngstown) but beacuse Tex Cobb said so. Ali said so. And Foreman admitted ducking him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2GS289O98U

p4p forman hands down!

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Originally Posted by southakron314

Shavers
Jackson
Robinson
Greb
Marciano
Hearns
Pavlik
Tyson
Baer
Gomez

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Greb wasn't a big puncher he only had 48 KO's out of like 260 wins, Greb was a volume puncher not a devastating puncher.

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I like to put Greb in everything.But I tried to think and I put in the wrong guy. I meant to put in Wilde like Donny did thats why I gave him CC. He was probably the dirtiest fighter ever though.

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Yea i put Wilde in my list as well he used to KO guys like 2 stone heavier than him.

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Originally Posted by Terry Nutkins

Duran was never a devastating puncher, even as a lightweight. He had very good power, in all his shots, but even at 135 he wore guys down. He retained his power throughout the 15 rounds which was remarkable, but he should never be included in such a list. Nigel Benn's inclusion at super middle is myopic to say the least. Benn didn't carry his firepower up to SM and his records reveals everything you need to know. Even as a middle weight, in true world class company, he wasn't nearly as devastating as say Jackson or Mcellen. Not even in the same ballpark.

Hearns hit harder than Norris did at JR middle, no question. And the gold toothed swaggering Mexican Oliveres is a must inclusion.

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Benn was still a very devastating puncher at Super Middleweight his power didn't change that much, if Benn isn't in your *list* then who else should be at Super Middleweight then ?? Jackson never fought at Super Middleweight, McClellan only fought once at Super Middleweight vs Benn and he lost so you cannot rate him at Super Middleweight, And as for Benn's power he did KO Barkley, Dewitt who went 12 rounds with Hearns, and he also was the only boxer to ever stop Robbie Sims as well.

I already included Hearns at Welterweight i don't put 2 of the same boxers in my lists, thats why i put Norris at Jr Middleweight otherwise i would of put Jackson twice at Jr Middleweight and Middleweight. And Olivares almost made my list but IMO Zarate is one of the best KO artists of all time so he for certain deserves to be there IMO.

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Terry will have to go find a response on another board to copy.

come on guys what about Cory Spinks,Chris Byrd,Winky Wright,and Paulie Malignaggi and that bunch. :'(

I thought I'd put these up since most of the time the same names get mentioned over and over....
Heres some that I feel belong up there with the best....

"P4P Forgotten Punchers"
'Chapo' Rosario
Alfonso Zamora
'Little Red' Lopez
'Pipino' Cuevas
Wladdy
Bob Fitzsimmons
Benny Bass
'Prince' Naseem
Jack Dempsey
'Puas' Olivares
'El Flaco Explosivo' Arguello
'Miracle' Saad
JCC
Gerry Cooney
'Poison' Pimentel

Aaron Pryor definately deserves mention though not top 10

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Originally Posted by Terry Nutkins

Duran was never a devastating puncher, even as a lightweight. He had very good power, in all his shots, but even at 135 he wore guys down. He retained his power throughout the 15 rounds which was remarkable, but he should never be included in such a list. Nigel Benn's inclusion at super middle is myopic to say the least. Benn didn't carry his firepower up to SM and his records reveals everything you need to know. Even as a middle weight, in true world class company, he wasn't nearly as devastating as say Jackson or Mcellen. Not even in the same ballpark.

Hearns hit harder than Norris did at JR middle, no question. And the gold toothed swaggering Mexican Oliveres is a must inclusion.

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I actually disagree on both counts here.
In relation to Duran, it must be said that in retrospect he had onme of the most amazing careers ever. I t seemed that throughout his career he not only retained his power, but actually increased it as he climbed weights.
His win over Barkley at Supermiddle was a result ofhis power as in truth, his size should really have disabled him from claiming a title at that weight.

As for Benn. Nigel was a ferocious Middleweight, but it seems to be the common consensus that he was in actuality better at Super Middleweight. Similarly to the Leonard-Hearns series many felt that the runner up in their first fight actually won the second fight despuite a draw being awarded. (I'm refering to the Eubank fights of course.) In my view Nigel at Super Middleweight was not only strengthened physically in his ability to withstand punishment, but his power was actually asdamaging as it had been at 160.

I am suprised that Lennox Lewis is not on any list?...He had tremendous KO power...32 KO's out of 42 wins....and many of those KO's were in devestating fashion..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISDOF8AsfHw&feature=related