Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
Pac greatly deserves his number 2 spot beating MAB, EM convincingly and JMM in a hairline. But P4P number1 hell no!!!
All I can say is for a former 107 pounder to achieve all of these is already a great feat IMO and warrants great RESPECT.
Did Manny deserves this victory, YES. In fact he should've gotten the nod 4 years ago in the first place if it wasn't for Judge Bert Clements.
Marquez wasnt battered but Manny did edge him a lil in this fight and a win is win.
I agree with you. But if Pac wins against David Diaz and capture his belt, not only Pac will be a 4-time world time (4 diff divisions),... but also a #1 p4p king!
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
Pac greatly deserves his number 2 spot beating MAB, EM convincingly and JMM in a hairline. But P4P number1 hell no!!!
All I can say is for a former 107 pounder to achieve all of these is already a great feat IMO and warrants great RESPECT.
Did Manny deserves this victory, YES. In fact he should've gotten the nod 4 years ago in the first place if it wasn't for Judge Bert Clements.
Marquez wasnt battered but Manny did edge him a lil in this fight and a win is win.
I agree with you. But if Pac wins against David Diaz and capture his belt, not only Pac will be a 4-time world time (4 diff divisions),... but also a #1 p4p king!
If Floyd performs bad in his next fight and PAC beats David Diaz in a spectacular manner then I'd agree. But another win against JMM on a rubber match would look better in PAC's resume IMO.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Originally Posted by
Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
Pac greatly deserves his number 2 spot beating MAB, EM convincingly and JMM in a hairline. But P4P number1 hell no!!!
All I can say is for a former 107 pounder to achieve all of these is already a great feat IMO and warrants great RESPECT.
Did Manny deserves this victory, YES. In fact he should've gotten the nod 4 years ago in the first place if it wasn't for Judge Bert Clements.
Marquez wasnt battered but Manny did edge him a lil in this fight and a win is win.
I agree with you. But if Pac wins against David Diaz and capture his belt, not only Pac will be a 4-time world time (4 diff divisions),... but also a #1 p4p king!
I disagree strongly with this, David Diaz is a marginal champion in a currently unimpressive weight class, how would beating him be enough to move Pac to the P4P #1 spot? IMO beating Marquez, who is/was top 5 P4P on almost everyones list, is much more impressive that beating Diaz, even if Diaz fights at a higher weight. I could understand Pac being anywhere from about 2-4 on the P4P list, maybe as low as 5 if you believe Marquez should've won the fight but there is no way he surpassed PBF by beating Diaz.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
Going into this fight, I had Pacquiao ranked #2 PFP, and Marquez #3. I see no reason to move either of them after last night. If Calzaghe puts together a dominant win over Hopkins, then I might consider moving him to #3.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Fl!p Flash
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SweetPea
Going into this fight, I had Pacquiao ranked #2 PFP, and Marquez #3. I see no reason to move either of them after last night. If Calzaghe puts together a dominant win over Hopkins, then I might consider moving him to #3.
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
Do you think he lost the fight then?
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Fl!p Flash
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SweetPea
Going into this fight, I had Pacquiao ranked #2 PFP, and Marquez #3. I see no reason to move either of them after last night. If Calzaghe puts together a dominant win over Hopkins, then I might consider moving him to #3.
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
By moving Marquez down that far, you're actually degrading Manny's win, because you're saying Marquez wasn't really as good as people thought, and that therefore Manny doesn't deserve that much credit. Do you really think that way?
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Fl!p Flash
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BIG H
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Fl!p Flash
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
Do you think he lost the fight then?
Yes ofcourse. What I meant by "moving down" is #1 is being the top.
Marquez was #4 in my book. Pacquiao remains #2.
I know what you meant, I am just asking if YOU think Pac won that fight last night?
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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BIG H
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Fl!p Flash
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Originally Posted by
SweetPea
Going into this fight, I had Pacquiao ranked #2 PFP, and Marquez #3. I see no reason to move either of them after last night. If Calzaghe puts together a dominant win over Hopkins, then I might consider moving him to #3.
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
Do you think he lost the fight then?
It's weird for me, I think Marquez edged the fight, and I thought it was one of the best fights of the last few years.........
But I dunno, I thought both of them were disappointing in some ways. I think they both looked vulnurable and honestly believe Juan Guzman would outbox both of them.
They probably stay where they are p4p but I think Calzaghe is a better and more dominant fighter than either.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Bilbo
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BIG H
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Fl!p Flash
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
Do you think he lost the fight then?
It's weird for me, I think Marquez edged the fight, and I thought it was one of the best fights of the last few years.........
But I dunno, I thought both of them were disappointing in some ways. I think they both looked vulnurable and honestly believe Juan Guzman would outbox both of them.
They probably stay where they are p4p but I think Calzaghe is a better and more dominant fighter than either.
I am just dowloading it so will watch later tonight
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Fl!p Flash
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SweetPea
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Fl!p Flash
I have Marquez moving down to number #6, in front of his brother Rafa.
By moving Marquez down that far, you're actually degrading Manny's win, because you're saying Marquez wasn't really as good as people thought, and that therefore Manny doesn't deserve that much credit. Do you really think that way?
Ok, you are implying that being in #6 is horrible. Well, it's not.
BOTH OF THEM DESERVES THAT MUCH CREDIT.
No, I'm not saying #6 is horrible. I'm saying #6 isn't as good as #3, or #4, or #5. If you're moving Marquez down to #6, then you're saying he wasn't really as good as people said he was.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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Fl!p Flash
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BIG H
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Fl!p Flash
Yes ofcourse. What I meant by "moving down" is #1 is being the top.
Marquez was #4 in my book. Pacquiao remains #2.
I know what you meant, I am just asking if YOU think Pac won that fight last night?
YES. I had Manny winning it by one point. Kenny Bayless should've deducted Marquez some points for hitting below the belt 5 times. He only got warned once. :mad:
Cool - I will have a watch later and see what I think.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
Yeah it was a great display between Pacquio Vs Marquez as expected.I personally think it was a closer and more thrilling contest from their first outing.It was very close after the 12th round to judge who won but it was fair to say that the K.O Marquez sustained in the 3rd was always going to be a mountain to climb throughout the rounds to change the outcome of the dicision.Nevertheless Marquez came back into the game with some great shots specially that left hook to the body...That was a great shot!
Wth Marquez sustaining a horrible cut above his eye,do you think there'll be a 3rd bout between Marquez Vs Pacquio??I'd like to think so,What do you's think out there? :)
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
Floyd did not get to the top spot after his first fight with Castillo. Needless to say, Pac doesn't deserve that spot now either.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
Pacs record speaks for itself. He's p4p #1 right now. You can argue that floyd is #1 all u want but looking great against mediocre to good competition doesn't compare with looking great against great competition.
You guys are a bunch of bias fans that are willing to keep floyd at #1 no matter how little he does or how much the REAL fighters do. I still don't know how good floyd is and neither do you because he doesn't take any risky fights.
Beating a version of DLH that had 1 fight in like 3 or 4 years and knocking out Hatton who continually came in with his hands down asking to get KTFO hardly qualifies as p4p worthy.
It's simple math, Pac is deserving of the p4p crown.
Re: WHAT A FIGHT!!!Is Manny P4P number1 now?.Let me know your thoughts!
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El Gamo
Firstly,I think it was a tremendous fight. Really really awesome fight and congrats to both fighters.Second best foty imo.
I had JMM winning by a point.However,it was a close fight and could have gone either way. These guys could have 10 fights,each would be exciting and each would be close.
I'm not dropping JMM any places in my P4P lists because it was such a dam good and close fight.He gave Manny hell and vise versa. The reason I'm putting Manny P4P number 1 is he showed some improvements tonight to deal with a stylistic nightmare.He had excellent upper body movement,not as off balance as he used to be and blocked punches to compliment good,controlled agression.He's still primarily a 1 handed fighter but uses his right more than he used to. And he won.It was close but for him to beat JMM is a great achievement.
I told you guys it would go to points.;) Tremendous fight,boxing fans are the winners.Although I have a feeling we won't be seeing JMM again,I don't know why.:(
I want Manny to whoop that over rated journeyman David Diaz!
manny p4p no 1???? not even close, the guys drops places imo (not for the fact JMM got totaly fucked screwed) but what i saw of manny in that matach was not even close to being named the best in the wolrd.
The one and only reason pac was remotely competetive in that fight was down to JMM having a shit chin.
Marquez is a great boxer, he has great skills, but he isn't the best "boxer" in the world. When he was boxing pac-man looked completely overrated to what people have said about him, his power on a shit chin got him into a close fight. no fucking way did pac win that, find me a real neutral fan who thought pac won that and i will eat my hat. he lost, a close fight, but lost.
pac drops to the lower end of a p4p top 10 list imo.
