Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
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I think Calvin Brock would be a good solid fight for Sam Peter in his first title defense. Sam is going to have to learn how to beat a boxer...if he gets more crafty then he'll pose more of a threat but you know what he's thinking all the time when he's fighting "must land haymaker, must land haymaker"
Wladimir Klitschko needs to start jumping on opponents, it's taken him longer to learn than it took Lennox Lewis to learn but he's going to get there and he's going to be even better at KO-ing fighters earlier.
Wlad used to give up his height it hurt him vs Corrie Sanders where Wlad was fighting in a near crouch and it obviously made Corrie's job easier.
I think Wlad has gotten away from clinching too much and I think he's going to use his jab to keep the distance instead of clinching to get out of range. He's going to use the jab as a defensive weapon as well as an offensive one. The left hook of Wlad is what really wobbled Sam Peter and after watching the McCline and Maskaev fights I think hooking off the jab will put an end to any offense Sam Peter can muster.
I think the rematch will be more exciting and there will be a KO in the end.
I think the result will be the same but no ko. Brock would be a good test for Peter. He won't test him too much; Sam more than likely will still win even if he tries to tee off all night and can't clear him out, but he can also try boxing with a boxer. Brock was so nervous-looking against Eddie Chambers of all people that he'll be tired down the stretch and Peter can collect the latter rounds.
Steward tends to train his fighters to be more exciting. He screamed at Lennox to take out Tyson, screamed at Taylor to take out Spinks and screamed at Klitschko to take out Ibragimov. It wasn't that these guys weren't winning- he sees the crowd and knows what it looks like when his fighter is in there not losing as opposed to winning. He had to train Klitschko how to clench because of how quickly things can go wrong for Wlad off one well-placed punch, but you're right, Klitschko is moving away from it. Manny wants him to utilize his greatest talent; that big right hand.
But I don't know if Klitschko will be a 1, 2 or 3 round KO kind of guy. Think of the recent fights he's had where he could have tested his opponent and didn't only to find out the guy really didn't have anything for him and he pulled the trigger later on. Ray Austin is different; I don't think I've ever seen someone take a KO beating from 90% jabs.
Klitschko now fights tall like he should. I'd like to see him fight a little faster. That's one thing Lennox definitely had over him; he could move like he was a lot smaller.
The one thing I do want to go away is the chin talk regarding Peter. Jameel McCline has NEVER been that kind of fighter and strangely he turns into a monster when he fights Peter. I think the pre-fight interview is very indicative of what was really going on. Notice Maskaev wasn't able to produce the same result.
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
The reason I say Wlad would KO Sam Peter is because it's obvious to even the likes of me that Sam Peter is a sucker for the left hook...it's a dangerous game to play hooking with a fighter whose money punch is the left hook but seeing how Wlad can hook off the jab and how Sam Peter's hook is wide I don't think the danger is there for Wlad to go for a KO vs Sam Peter at any point in the fight....besides Sam is looking for the right cross to come down on him so the guard will be perfect for a left hook to land.
I think Wlad can still be the exciting fighter like Lewis or Hearns...sure he uses that jab a ton but it's a GREAT weapon to have that helps out on defense as much as offense. What Wlad needs to start doing is winning the first round! He takes his time ever since the Sanders fight and he needs to realize it's not THAT he jumps on someone early it's HOW he jumps on someone early....vs Sanders he threw crazy punches and fought short giving Sanders the upperhand. You can get to someone early without putting yourself in danger....I don't understand this wait until round 3 to fire the right cross strategy....throw it right out of the gate....land hard early and set the TONE!
With Lennox Lewis he chose which opponents he was going to jump on...Golota, Grant, Botha...he jumped on those guys early and got early KO's. VS other guys he waited. Wlad should really model his career after Lennox as they have a lot in common (something you Brits don't want to admit but it's true) trainer, size, athletic ability, punching power, smarts....Lewis had more natural ring intelligence but Wlad is no dummy. Wlad should see a guy like Povetkin and see how Chambers hurt him and say to himself "I can get this guy in 2-4" after he hits him with the first solid power punch.
Maskaev did hurt Sam Peter though and it's obvious Sam cannot take a left hook the same way he can take a right cross because he can absorb a ton of punishment from right crosses as the fight with Wlad proved
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
I know i am going way off the beaten path here... but.. all this talk about Sam Peter and who he should fight.. i would LOVE TO SEE HIM FIGHT CORRIE SANDERS!!!!
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
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The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.
Sam Peter BARELY took the rounds where he dropped Wlad. Wlad easily dominated Sam Peter hitting him whenever he wanted to.
As for Corrie Sanders it would be a HUGE risk but I too would like to see Wlad avenge his loss vs Sanders....I doubt anyone is high on seeing him fight Purrity again though
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
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The biggest threat now has to be Peter.Wlad did beat him very easily except the rounds he was dropped,but Peter has gotten better.He has gained better boxing ability and Wlad really has just stayed the same and untested.I would still go with Wlad though this time and he'd probably stop Peter in 8.
Sam Peter BARELY took the rounds where he dropped Wlad. Wlad easily dominated Sam Peter hitting him whenever he wanted to.
As for Corrie Sanders it would be a
HUGE risk but I too would like to see Wlad avenge his loss vs Sanders....I doubt anyone is high on seeing him fight Purrity again though
I don't think Peter even won any rounds against Wlad except the rounds he dropped him in obviously but other than that he won no other rounds. And how would Sanders be a *Huge* risk ?? Sanders was stopped in the 1st round just recently and he is 40+ i don't see that equals to Sanders being *dangerous*.
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Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
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Lyle
Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end
To be honest Sanders vs Wlad at this point is a waste of time, it would be a lose/lose situation for Wlad and no one would give him credit including me for the victory and if he lost that would be the end of Wlad's career. Sanders is 40+ and was stopped in 1 round by a journeyman fighter in his last fight, the rematch should of happened ages ago its too late now, and plus Sanders is way down the rankings now due to his recent loss and his inactivity. There would be no anticipation for a rematch Lyle.
Re: Who Poses The Biggest Threat If Any To Wladimir Klitschko?
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Lyle
Sanders is dangerous due to his handspeed and power plus he has the psychological advantage over Wladimir because of their first fight. Sanders is also a huge career risk because of his age, his last fight, and the fact he never trains.....if Wlad got beat by him again it would be devistating and career ending. Wlad winning vs Sanders would do little for his status other than just tie up a loose end
To be honest Sanders vs Wlad at this point is a waste of time, it would be a lose/lose situation for Wlad and no one would give him credit including me for the victory and if he lost that would be the end of Wlad's career. Sanders is 40+ and was stopped in 1 round by a journeyman fighter in his last fight, the rematch should of happened ages ago its too late now, and plus Sanders is way down the rankings now due to his recent loss and his inactivity. There would be no anticipation for a rematch Lyle.
I might have to question Sanders' psychological advantage over Klitschko in a rematch. Against Brewster Klitschko seemed to have no memory of what happened the first time out. That may have something to do with the fact Brewster fought a much more complacent fight (I think he wants some brains left so he can have a convo with his kids) but even if Brewster had come out like he did against Golota I think Klitschko could have handled it. Steward has given him too many tools for a storm and swarm fighter like Brewster sometimes is to beat and once that's all gassed out it's easy pickins'. Wlad seemed to handle Ibragimov's quick hands just fine and he takes boxing a lot more seriously than he had up to that fight. Klitschko was so DRY, I remember and he seemed to have no awareness that Sanders could do what he did. In a rematch I say Klitschko shows how much like Lennox he can be by thrashing Sanders in the first round. I doubt it'll happen anyway. At least in the Brewster fight we could say Brewster only lost the belt because he had that detached retina. What case could we make for Sanders?
