Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
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Fenster
You taking the piss ono?
You're not trying to suggest Witter doesn't really want the fight are you?
Look a few threads down, Witter said he'll fight him on the freemans :rolleyes:
;D
Am saying if he really wanted the fight that badly, surely he would have made an offer to fight him?
Seems strange that he's been happy to slag him off for 6 years, but he hasn't made one offer to fight him other than sayin "i'd fight him for free, 'i'd fight him for bus fare" etc... but without really following it through with anything concrete.
I am suggesting that Witter has made a good living from fighting mediocre opponents whilst earning his reputation from stalking Hatton. It's his mouth outside the ring rather than his performances inside it that has captured the publics attention.
I don't know exactly what you mean - "offers"?
I don't know what Mick Hennessy and Team Hatton have discussed behind closed doors. Do you? From what Hatton says he wont even entertain the idea of facing Witter. Hatton is the one with the plethora of excuses for NOT making the fight. If Hatton WANTED the fight it would happen. Surely you agree with that?
But go on Hennessy's site, you'll see a billion of those press release thingys from over the years.
I don't understand how ANYONE can have a problem with the way Witter has chased this fight.
Hatton was regarded the best in Britain. Witter was no.2, so wanted to fight Hatton to prove he was the better fighter.
Hatton is now regarded the best in the world. Witter is no.2, so wants to fight Hatton to prove he's the best.
What is his crime?
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Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
Right I've steered clear of this because I'm getting really bored of it but I'll throw my two cents in to hopefully clarify some points.
Whats annoying here is that some of you don't acknowledge that the other has a valid point.
1. Hatton has done much more in his career than Junior and Junior has pissed alot of it away chasing a fight that hasn't happened. What has probably pissed him off even more is that until now, nobody has listened to his bitching and whining and its pretty pathetic sometimes. I also find it interesting that some of Hennessy's fighters claim to be avoided even though they don't always do their best to make the fight. (I've read some interesting things in Boxing News about Thaxton-Khan lately). Witter needs to wake up and accept the fact that he's not doing anything to sell himself. Why not go and force a fight with someone Hatton has beaten? He could have sorted out a deal with Paulie while Hatton was still dealing with the loss. He's an idiot and has made himself look like a mug.
2. I'm a big Ricky Hatton fan and I cannot fucking stand Witter. However while it's all well and good to say that you think Paulie is a better fighter, fact is fact and Witter has done more to prove himself at 140 than Paulie, and so has Torres for that matter. If Hatton wants to keep his crown as the #1 at 140, he's going to have to accomadate the #1 challenger to his crown. Hatton cannot make these excuses forever. I completely understand him taking the Lazcano fight, but really Witter should be on the undercard with a view to a megafight later in the year, not Paulie. And saying he's not deserving enough doesn't really cut it in my book anymore.
That video Bilbo showed really riled me. If someone goaded me like that, I'd tell my promoter to make the fight happen immediately. I don't understand why there is such a fuss about it as I can't see how Junior can beat Ricky. Hatton is a better fighter.
Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
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Fenster
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ono
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Fenster
You taking the piss ono?
You're not trying to suggest Witter doesn't really want the fight are you?
Look a few threads down, Witter said he'll fight him on the freemans :rolleyes:
;D
Am saying if he really wanted the fight that badly, surely he would have made an offer to fight him?
Seems strange that he's been happy to slag him off for 6 years, but he hasn't made one offer to fight him other than sayin "i'd fight him for free, 'i'd fight him for bus fare" etc... but without really following it through with anything concrete.
I am suggesting that Witter has made a good living from fighting mediocre opponents whilst earning his reputation from stalking Hatton. It's his mouth outside the ring rather than his performances inside it that has captured the publics attention.
I don't know
exactly what you mean - "offers"?
I don't know what Mick Hennessy and Team Hatton have discussed behind closed doors. Do you? From what Hatton says he wont even entertain the idea of facing Witter. Hatton is the one with the plethora of excuses for NOT making the fight. If Hatton WANTED the fight it would happen. Surely you agree with that?
But go on Hennessy's site, you'll see a billion of those press release thingys from over the years.
I don't understand how ANYONE can have a problem with the way Witter has chased this fight.
Hatton was regarded the best in Britain. Witter was no.2, so wanted to fight Hatton to prove he was the better fighter.
Hatton is now regarded the best in the world. Witter is no.2, so wants to fight Hatton to prove he's the best.
What is his crime?
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When i say offer i'm referring to the fact that Hennesy hasn't once made a formal offer for the fight to happen.
They've done plenty of press releases saying they want the fight. Getting Witter's name up there along side Hattons etc... but they haven't done anything about actually getting the fight.
I agree they should fight. It will be a travesty if they don't.
At least when Thaxton wanted to fight Kahn, they made a formal offer. This is what i mean about being serious about the fight. They've had 7 years to make an offer. Thaxton was serious about Kahn and they made an offer within months. They have the same promoter so why the hold up?
Anyways they are doing their job pretty well because Witter's popularity seems to be increasing tenfold and a lot of people (including me) really want to see the fight. Much more than i did a few years ago.
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No one loves Junior Witter they just want to see the most intriguing fight at 140 what is wrong with that ?? Witter is number 2 and Hatton is number 1 and Hatton keeps making lame excuses putting the fight off and he has been doing it for years of course boxing fans are going to be frustrated and disappointed.
Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
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Fenster
Ive never seen ANYONE on this site claim Witter is "great."
The American fans along with all other boxing fans (excluding blinkered Hatton lovers, of course) WANT the fight because Hatton and Witter are rated no.1 and 2 at 140. Naturally ALL boxing fans should want the best per divison to face eachother. So why would it be surprising so many prefer to see this match-up than Hatton fighting an exhibition match?
The Brit fans that KNOW the history between these two are sick and frustrated with Hatton's million and 1 excuses to dodge Witter. Simple as.
This fight will happen in 2009, will it? What like it was gonna happen in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008?
And you can't believe the naivety of some?
:rolleyes:
Good answer
So why hasn't Witter made an offer?
Make an offer? He offered to fight him at no cost so what's the problem?
No one is saying they're in love with Witter but you are clearly in love with Hatton.
Keep supporting him because with every excuse he makes, he puts you in position to make 10 more.
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If Ricky is indeed all about the challange he will fight Witter. Theres no challenge in fighting Mayweather a second time. If Hatton wins hes pulled off a Buster Douglas sized upset, if (when) he loses..........he was out of his natural weight class against the best in the business, no shame in that,blah blah blah, its a no lose situation.
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Ricky's latest reason/excuse.... He said he was finnaly thinking about fighting Witter and then something happened at the Sports Personality Awards. He said that a few fighters were lined up and Hatton went along the line shaking hands with them and when he got to Witter apparently Witter said 'Some day...' Hatton now says that that has made him determined not to fight him.
Hatton is really starting to hack me off... he's getting himself a reputation as a bullshitter and people now genuinley think he is ducking Witter. If Hatton is so annoyed at Witter and so confident he can beat him he would fight him... period. There would be none of this crap about not wanting to give Witter a big pay day or Witter not being known well enough accross the Pond.
Put up or shut up Ricky because this crap is losing you respect and fans in equal measures.
Signed
A dissapointed almost X-Hatton Fan :(
Memphis - just read your post further up... seems like we both feel the same... didn't want you to think I was stealing your post though mate ;D
Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
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ono
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Fenster
Ive never seen ANYONE on this site claim Witter is "great."
The American fans along with all other boxing fans (excluding blinkered Hatton lovers, of course) WANT the fight because Hatton and Witter are rated no.1 and 2 at 140. Naturally ALL boxing fans should want the best per divison to face eachother. So why would it be surprising so many prefer to see this match-up than Hatton fighting an exhibition match?
The Brit fans that KNOW the history between these two are sick and frustrated with Hatton's million and 1 excuses to dodge Witter. Simple as.
This fight will happen in 2009, will it? What like it was gonna happen in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008?
And you can't believe the naivety of some?
:rolleyes:
Good answer
So why hasn't Witter made an offer?
As he's just trying to get popular off Hatton's name, he's been doing it all of his career.
Yea clearly the Sanctioning bodies feel the same way thats why they ranked him #2 at 140:rolleyes:
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Ive pretty much stayed out of this thread because i'm sick of repeating myself but its refreshing to see some of the answers here as i thought it was just me and Fenster who thought this way ;)
Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
You think Ricky is ducking Witter Saddo?
I personally think bigger things have always presented themselves before a Witter fight, especially since Hatton has been stateside for the last couple years.
I would like to see it happen but haven't heard the calling for it be this strong until just recently and now all the sudden Ricky has been ducking him since 2000 ??? It's all a bit much and I wonder what possibly spurred such demand. Witter isn't even good to watch.
Re: Is everyone in love with Junior Witter?
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Bx730NY
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ono
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Fenster
Ive never seen ANYONE on this site claim Witter is "great."
The American fans along with all other boxing fans (excluding blinkered Hatton lovers, of course) WANT the fight because Hatton and Witter are rated no.1 and 2 at 140. Naturally ALL boxing fans should want the best per divison to face eachother. So why would it be surprising so many prefer to see this match-up than Hatton fighting an exhibition match?
The Brit fans that KNOW the history between these two are sick and frustrated with Hatton's million and 1 excuses to dodge Witter. Simple as.
This fight will happen in 2009, will it? What like it was gonna happen in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008?
And you can't believe the naivety of some?
:rolleyes:
Good answer
So why hasn't Witter made an offer?
Make an offer? He offered to fight him at no cost so what's the problem?
No one is saying they're in love with Witter but you are clearly in love with Hatton.
Keep supporting him because with every excuse he makes, he puts you in position to make 10 more.
Am not in love with either fighter thank you. However i do like both fighters.
And that isn't making an offer. That's talking smack. If he was serious, Mick Hennessy would have made a formal offer....just like he did when Thaxton was calling out Kahn.
He's had 7 years to make an offer.....yet he hasn't. The more famous Hatton has become, the louder Junior Witter has become. Still hasn't made any formal offers. Not even during the times when Hatton said he'd fight him have they made an offer.
If the time comes when Junior does make a formal offer and it is rejected by Hatton, then i'll be critical.....but until then imo it's unfair to accuse Hatton of ducking because he isn't really ducking from anything.
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Ricky's latest reason/excuse.... He said he was finnaly thinking about fighting Witter and then something happened at the Sports Personality Awards. He said that a few fighters were lined up and Hatton went along the line shaking hands with them and when he got to Witter apparently Witter said 'Some day...' Hatton now says that that has made him determined not to fight him.
Hatton is really starting to hack me off... he's getting himself a reputation as a bullshitter and people now genuinley think he is ducking Witter. If Hatton is so annoyed at Witter and so confident he can beat him he would fight him... period. There would be none of this crap about not wanting to give Witter a big pay day or Witter not being known well enough accross the Pond.
Put up or shut up Ricky because this crap is losing you respect and fans in equal measures.
Signed
A dissapointed almost X-Hatton Fan :(
Memphis - just read your post further up... seems like we both feel the same... didn't want you to think I was stealing your post though mate ;D
That was in 2006 by the way. Not last year like The Sun have made it out to be.
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ono
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Bx730NY
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ono
Good answer
So why hasn't Witter made an offer?
Make an offer? He offered to fight him at no cost so what's the problem?
No one is saying they're in love with Witter but you are clearly in love with Hatton.
Keep supporting him because with every excuse he makes, he puts you in position to make 10 more.
Am not in love with either fighter thank you. However i do like both fighters.
And that isn't making an offer. That's talking smack. If he was serious, Mick Hennessy would have made a formal offer....just like he did when Thaxton was calling out Kahn.
He's had 7 years to make an offer.....yet he hasn't. The more famous Hatton has become, the louder Junior Witter has become. Still hasn't made any formal offers. Not even during the times when Hatton said he'd fight him have they made an offer.
If the time comes when Junior does make a formal offer and it is rejected by Hatton, then i'll be critical.....but until then imo it's unfair to accuse Hatton of ducking because he isn't really ducking from anything.
How can he make an offer when hatton doesn't even have the balls to come to the table.
I wanna know how you're so sure an offer hasn't been made anyway. Stop making excuses for hatton already. This is blatant ducking. And BTW, you're clearly a hatton fan so I don't wanna hear it.
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Bx730NY
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ono
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Bx730NY
Make an offer? He offered to fight him at no cost so what's the problem?
No one is saying they're in love with Witter but you are clearly in love with Hatton.
Keep supporting him because with every excuse he makes, he puts you in position to make 10 more.
Am not in love with either fighter thank you. However i do like both fighters.
And that isn't making an offer. That's talking smack. If he was serious, Mick Hennessy would have made a formal offer....just like he did when Thaxton was calling out Kahn.
He's had 7 years to make an offer.....yet he hasn't. The more famous Hatton has become, the louder Junior Witter has become. Still hasn't made any formal offers. Not even during the times when Hatton said he'd fight him have they made an offer.
If the time comes when Junior does make a formal offer and it is rejected by Hatton, then i'll be critical.....but until then imo it's unfair to accuse Hatton of ducking because he isn't really ducking from anything.
How can he make an offer when hatton doesn't even have the balls to come to the table.
I wanna know how you're so sure an offer hasn't been made anyway. Stop making excuses for hatton already. This is blatant ducking. And BTW, you're clearly a hatton fan so I don't wanna hear it.
Gareth Williams quote "Mick Hennesy or Junior Witter have never made an offer"
Guess you don't know how matchmaking works in Boxing then.
Simple. Mick Hennesey faxes an offer to team Hatton. Team Hattom mull over the offer and decided wether or not to accept it at least negotiate.
They don't actually have to sit round a table, so Hatton's balls have nothing to do with Witter making an offer or not.
How can it be an excuse when it's the truth?
I just want to open up peoples eyes to the suggestion that Junior Witter could be stitching a lot of people up. You included...
In fact i think both fighters and the media are doing a wonderful job in manipulating the public.
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ono
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Bx730NY
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ono
Am not in love with either fighter thank you. However i do like both fighters.
And that isn't making an offer. That's talking smack. If he was serious, Mick Hennessy would have made a formal offer....just like he did when Thaxton was calling out Kahn.
He's had 7 years to make an offer.....yet he hasn't. The more famous Hatton has become, the louder Junior Witter has become. Still hasn't made any formal offers. Not even during the times when Hatton said he'd fight him have they made an offer.
If the time comes when Junior does make a formal offer and it is rejected by Hatton, then i'll be critical.....but until then imo it's unfair to accuse Hatton of ducking because he isn't really ducking from anything.
How can he make an offer when hatton doesn't even have the balls to come to the table.
I wanna know how you're so sure an offer hasn't been made anyway. Stop making excuses for hatton already. This is blatant ducking. And BTW, you're clearly a hatton fan so I don't wanna hear it.
Gareth Williams quote "Mick Hennesy or Junior Witter have never made an offer"
Guess you don't know how matchmaking works in Boxing then.
Simple. Mick Hennesey faxes an offer to team Hatton. Team Hattom mull over the offer and decided wether or not to accept it at least negotiate.
They don't actually have to sit round a table, so Hatton's balls have nothing to do with Witter making an offer or not.
How can it be an excuse when it's the truth?
I just want to open up peoples eyes to the suggestion that Junior Witter could be stitching a lot of people up. You included...
In fact i think both fighters and the media are doing a wonderful job in manipulating the public.
More like hatton is doing a good job manipulating you.
