Antonio Margarito is the real deal and I'm just a hatin fool for not recognizing.

I actually give Cotto a much better chance at beating Floyd than Tony. Tony tends to plod forward sometimes, and will take shots to get in. Floyd will hit and run; and even if Tony manages to get inside Floyd, I still see Floyd being able to hang in there and use his speed to land inside; and get out fast. Floyd's defense is still the best in the business.

Cotto seems much improved in his boxing and uses his jab to great efficiency. And his has good timing; though no one is as good as Floyd. I see neither beating Floyd really, but I wouuld have to edge it to Cotto if I had to choose one to dethrone Pretty Boy.

Tony looked good last night on a guy who has a typical bully mentality. Likes to dominate and impose his will with his heavy hands, but can't come close to taking what he dishes out. Like I said yesterday in another thread, Cintron looked ready to flee against Feliciano, a guy who couldn't put a punch combination together to save his life, but who has a great beard. Tony can take a shot AND put punches together, and anyone that has those 2 things can beat a Cintron 8 days a week.

Cotto beat up a guy who really had no business being put in with the lion. Cotto/Margarito fight has to happen to see who should be the guy who gets a crack at Floyd; though Cotto already deserves that shot anyways.

Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Rep for that. I really think both can be too strong for him. I think both would either outpoint Floyd by putting him into a defensive shell and outwork him, or methodically break him down, force him to fight and stop him. Floyd is a great fighter, but these are two incredible strong fighters, in their prime, and on a mission.

I don't think Floyd wants to face guys like that right now. I think his heart is on making some good money before retiring, but no longer in the sport. I doubt we will see Floyd fight either of them.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Congrats Tony... I feel dirty for saying this, but he is lethal as they come and Paul Williams got lucky that Tony started late... I think he knocks Cotto spark out cause his beard is phenominal and his determination his more than Cotto...

Cotto is a stone faced unemotional killer

Tony seems to derive some sick perverse pleasure from inflicting and recieving punishment which you can tell by his smiles and expressions :o to me thats more dangerous..

NEVER will you hear me hate on Margarito EVER again.... I still dont think he can beat Floyd but he kicks, whips and beats the ever living shiit out of everyone from 147-154

Again Congrats Tony the 2nd best Welterweight in the world

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No kidding. Muthafucka was asking Cintron to get his ass back up. So he can beat his ass some more

A total Roberto Duran move....as I said before I would LOVE a Margarito-Mayorga matchup!


But you don't DARE taunt a guy like Cotto....that's like swimming with Jaws!

Speed and footwork can cause problems for Margarito.Look at the first five rounds of Williams fight.Williams Utilized his long hand speed and spun circles around Margarito.But Tonys tenacious pressure with range power can can quickly get him into a guys chest with some great uppercuts and solid body work,though his propensity to take left hooks leaves something to be desired at times :-XI am always weary of relying on a good chin as a part of a guys foundation...more of a fail-safe thing ?Better defense for Margarito than his chin is his undeniable pressure and all angel offense.Cottos jab will be a huge obstacle for Tony and he has shown Improved mobility as of late.Cotto can be stunned but it is from the sharp/quick type of shots but I do think Margarito can keep Cotto on his heels with volume punching and uppercuts.Tony has a tremendous chin but has in the past had his share of getting buzzed moments.When It all comes down, I love this fight and am glad It is coming.I like Margarito to win this one over Cotto,I think uppercuts will be a big factor.Can not wait for this one;D

Anyone notice how big and high Gomez's cup was during the fight? But he didn't get any help from it. So Oscar De la Hoya....take notice ;D


Margarito will trade with Cotto and honestly from 147-160 I wouldn't advise anyone to do that....yes 160, I believe Miguel's power can go up that far because he punches to the body!

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Anyone notice how big and high Gomez's cup was during the fight? But he didn't get any help from it. So Oscar De la Hoya....take notice ;D


Margarito will trade with Cotto and honestly from 147-160 I wouldn't advise anyone to do that....yes 160, I believe Miguel's power can go up that far because he punches to the body!

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Poor Gomez was wishing he could tie his cup around his head as well.No disrespect to Gomez :-X but I think Cotto just carried him abit.Found some swagger as well...lampley with "His arrogance is flowing" lol

When you fight a guy who never quits you never give him the opportunity to come back which is why Cotto let the stoppage come to him instead of forcing it.


Too many times guys dominate and then force things and BANG they lose by a shocking KO....Cotto has had his share of stupid moves, like vs Torres and he has obviously learned from this

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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Maybe "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" is a bit much, maybe, but he had almost no shot to beat him, I don't care what (unnatural) weight he'd fought at. I say almost just cause I guess any boxer has some sort of chance to win any certain fight.

I really admire Gomez , he did a thing that some other boxers don't have the COJONES for do , he also never disrespect Cotto and that's count , that show the quality of person that you are and i hope he could improve more in boxing ............and getting better about his condition.....:cool:

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Alfonso Gomez had fought at 160 so don't give me that "he had no business being in the ring with Cotto" bs!


Sure Floyd is technically skilled and has great handspeed and a different kind of power than Cotto or Toni but I just think he's a fragile fighter and no one has really put him to the test other than an old De la Hoya and hell I think Floyd was lucky to get away with that fight with a 0 in the loss column. Oscar didn't try to punish Floyd...everyone wants to work in around Floyd's defense via the jab and combinations....Miguel will beat up the defense and Floyd will take punishment either on his defense or through his defense.


Cotto is waiting to be an attractive fight for Floyd....and that is smart because when Floyd wants to fight HIM and not the other way around Cotto then holds all the cards and can affect the amount of money he's going to get AND more importantly the size of the ring.

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I guess it's easy to say, after the fact, that Gomez had no business being in with Cotto{seeing as how it went down}. I just never personally really thought he had a chance in hell to win that fight.

All credit to Gomez for taking the shot given to him, and best wishes to him, but he was so outclassed as to almost be criminal. But I guess those things happen. I think Gomez would have done better to get a couple of other fights with, say, Cintron or Clottey, etc., before trying to get in with Miguel. Kind of like Hatton fighting Collazo, then Urango and Castillo and thinking he could go to war against Floyd?? Kind of putting the horse before the cart. I understand though the financial/notoriety gains from doing those kinds of things, but looked how it ended up working out...pretty bad. I wonder if Gomez wishes now he had maybe climbed the ladder a little more cautiously. All respect to him though.

Some very good posting in this thread.

I don't think Margarito's win has any bearing on how I look at his loss to Williams. He beat Cintron before he fought Williams and Williams beat Cintron with movement, the same way Floyd would beat Margarito imo. When Margarito had his high spots in the Williams fight, it wasn't because Margarito all the sudden tried to fight, it was because Williams was getting flatfooted and wasn't able to provide the same movement. I think a rematch goes pretty much the same way.

That's not to discredit Margarito though, really, who didn't expect this? We all knew Tony hit hard, Cintron was more game and was able to land more punches but this didn't look all to different from the first fight. Tony was better technically but like p4pking said earlier, everything this night went completely as expected. Don't know why people would think otherwise.

I agree with Lyle in that Cotto is going to pick Margarito apart. I think Margarito is going to be able to scare him a few times throughout the fight but Margarito isn't exactly a short puncher and Cotto blocks punches very well from the outside, it's the inside and while setting up that he gets tagged the most. I think Cotto will get inside the long punches of Margarito and cash his check to the body. Don't think anybody is ever going to stop Margarito, but Cotto has a better chance then anyone because he goes to the body.

This is going to be a great fight though. Tony did look good but don't think he beats Cotto.

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Yeah - Margarito was mightily impressive, and I got the feeling that Cintron is just made for him. Antonio has one hell of a chin and is a tough tough guy .... someone like Cintron, who is such a big hitter that he relies on it will always come unravelled by Antonio.

The immovable object beat the irresistible force last night.

To beat margarito, you either have to outslick him and win on points or you have to get his respect.

It will be a great fight against Cotto, and I would not discount Margarito breaking Cotto's heart as well?

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I agree entirely.
Cotto and Margarito would be a War. One of these warriors has got to have what it takes to trouble PBF

I say if Cotto KO's Margarito then Floyd will most definantly retire and for good reason