Anyone Want To Doubt Joe Calzaghe Again??

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

Wot? where did he win 6 rounds? wtf were you watching...?

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I can't remember the exact rounds but Hopkins for certain won the first 4 rounds IMO, he then won the 11th, and he also won the round where he stunned Calzaghe at the end of the round. You can easily have Hopkins winning 6 rounds.

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First of all no he didn't clearly win the first 4 rounds...The second was a draw at best..the fourth was definitely a Calzaghe round as also mentioned by all commentators as a turning round of the fight.

So a punch at the end that pushes Jc back wins a round? after having been taking combinations throughout it?

And noway did hopkins win the 11th..the guy was tiring all thru the later rounds...

He took 5 mins...i mean a full 5 mins faking a low blow...pathetic really

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That was indeed a sad moment from Bernard.

I'm glad Cortez wasn't dumb enough to take some points away from Joe.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I will admit that I've never been a Joe fan.

I didn't think he'd beat Lacy.
I didn't think he'd beat Kess.
I didn't think he'd beat Hopkins.


After he beat Kess, he earned my respect. He showed the skill and class this dudes got. THrowing punches in bunches and fighting like an animal.


For this fight I just thought that Hopkins style was all too wrong for him and that Hopkins with his hug, jab, hug, hug, jab, hug, straigh right miss, hug, lunge, hug style would not allow Joe to do his work.

Now Joe has escalated in my books as one of the best fighters of my generation and he truely deserves the praise. I need to really think about the possible future matchups for him.


RJJ
Pavlik
Winky
BCD
Tarver

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Wow, respect mate!

You see, this is what i like to see. Someone who changes his mind and takes the evidence before him in order to change his opinion...you sir show you are a true boxing fan and person to come forward and say this:)

I must say with myself, although i thought mayweather would prob beat hatton, ive always disliked floyd, his style and his mouth, after seeing the mayweather performance against hatton i totally changed my mind, (although i didnt doubt him to begin with) but he showed class and showed why he is a top athlete!

The same goes for joe, joe got floored in the first, yet came back and played bhop at his own game yet started showing the master tactician that it wsa joe calzage who will dictate the pace of the fight in the last 7-8 rounds...he played the bhop game and beat him at his own game...he did this in the usa, he landed the most punches on bhop than anyone ever managed to do before and he rocked bhop later on in the fight (10th i think) when bhop had to clinch to save himself during the infighting.

I give respect to hopkins, a great fighter, shows why he is in the hall of fame and a great tactician...but the true champs class shone through on the night and now even people who previously disliked (may still dislike) calzaghe are coming out saying he is the real deal.

I think that calz should fight jones next then a final fight with pavlik in vegas...i think he will beat them both aswell and have fought everyone in the world in his era and beaten everyone, cleaned up and retire 47,0,0!!!

Hate to say it mick but not many people will be like you, they will continue to doubt...even if/when he beats jones and pavlik they will still doubt and hate;)

I dont think theres any point in joe fighting winky or tarver, bhop beat them comprehensively, i cant see what joe has to gain by fighting them at all. If tarver beats dawson (i think he will) then he has a claim i guess to fight calzaghe but i cant see tarver winning this. With winky i think he has been inactive for a while, he got beat by hopkins and drew with taylor, he doesnt have the respect anymore that he used to and would get beat by joe...not much on the plate for joe in that one.

The only matches i see are tarver (if he beats dawson), jones and pavlik.

I see calzaghe winning them all.

Joe Calzaghe IS the p4p king. Manny has to beat David Diaz to regain his throne.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I scored the fight.

7-5 rounds for Joe.

With round 1, 10-8 for Hopkins.


Score: 114-113 for Joe Calzaghe.

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that's exactly how I had it. 116-111 is a horrible score. It was a very close fight that Joe won down the stretch and the idea that he dominated is ridiculous. A lot of writers, the Associated Press, ESPN all had it for Hopkins. I didn't but it was a good close fight.

I had it 6-6 with the knockdown deciding the fight, I was dissapointed with Calzaghe, I thought there was no way if they fought at a distance that Calzaghe would be so utterly outclassed. THe rounds he did win were simply because he was the busier fight, He showed no technique or ability to adapt to what B-Hop was doing, I thought even in the rounds he won that it was just because B-Hop wasn't throwing back. I mean B-Hop was so tired he needed that 5 minute break IMO to finish the fight on his feet, and yet Calzaghe couldn't land hardly anything. I just watched B-Hop-RJJ this morning and Roy landed at least twice as many meaningful punches in that fight than Calzaghe did in this fight.

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

Why not doubt him in future fights??.He was not sainted or blessed with divine intervention .He edged a very tight fight where both guys effected each much.Been known to happen.Joe had a hard time adjusting and looked aloof at times,but he was able to find his flow with volleys and step up the pace down the stretch.Hopkins movement and technique had him in front early but he waited around too much in the late rounds,looked fatigued last few rounds.Cortez was more suited to officiate an Amateur contest last night,far too intrusive and over bearing..affecting both fighters.They fought,Joe won on my card by a nik.Sorry,but it really is that simple.How many threads are there right now on this...7,8,etc.Need coffee

Jeez,Just checked front page at 2;56 pm Orleans time.........21 threads on the fight

Calzhage showed he's a great fighter and stole it in the lat round I gave it to him by two. But he showed he's no legend and a prime smashes him. hopkins

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I will admit that I've never been a Joe fan.

I didn't think he'd beat Lacy.
I didn't think he'd beat Kess.
I didn't think he'd beat Hopkins.


After he beat Kess, he earned my respect. He showed the skill and class this dudes got. THrowing punches in bunches and fighting like an animal.


For this fight I just thought that Hopkins style was all too wrong for him and that Hopkins with his hug, jab, hug, hug, jab, hug, straigh right miss, hug, lunge, hug style would not allow Joe to do his work.

Now Joe has escalated in my books as one of the best fighters of my generation and he truely deserves the praise. I need to really think about the possible future matchups for him.


RJJ
Pavlik
Winky
BCD
Tarver

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Nicley said . Good to see a knowledgable guy like you giving Joe praise .

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I scored the fight.

7-5 rounds for Joe.

With round 1, 10-8 for Hopkins.


Score: 114-113 for Joe Calzaghe.

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I gave hop 4 rounds, calz 7 rounds and 1 round a draw, giving 115,113 calzaghe. But i guess its because i gave 1 round a draw as it was too evenly matched i thought.

rnd 1 hop, 10,8
rnd 2 hop, 10,9
rnd 3 hop, 10,9
rnd 4 calz, 10,9 (the turning point where calz dropped his gloves and you could see his confidence and skill starting to come out)
rnd 5 calz, 10,9
rnd 6 draw
rnd 7 calz, 10,9
rnd 8 calz, 10,9
rnd 9 calz, 10,9
rnd 10 hop, 10,9
rnd 11 calz, 10,9
rnd 12 calz, 10,9

Good scoring mate!

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

I will difinitely doubt him against RJJr and Pavlik.

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You have good views normally mate;)

But like the doubters against lacy, kessler and hopkins...you'll see that calz will be triumphant against both these two.

But fair enough, we all have our opinions.

What matters is that if calzaghe beats jones and pavlik that it totally silcences any doubts and the people who had doubts then come forward and say 'hey, you know what, i had doubts but now i believe joe is the man!'

What if it happens like this? Calz beats jones next, then goes into his final fight against pavlik after beating lacy, kessler, hopkins and jones...will you then still doubt him against pavlik? Just wondering?

When i watch calzaghe fight i see something simmilar to floyd in the way that i see a fighter who can adapt his style, a style that is so difficult to fight against and use it to take out the opponent. By doing this against a very on form hopkins calz showed he has definately got that superior class, he did what a true champ does because he adapted and found the weakness in hopkins (albeit a tiny weakness), he found his range, he found a way to nullify hopkins counter punches by coming in and out and blocking the big straight right (the one that put him on floor in the 1st)...this shows me what ive always thought about calz, that he is the real deal. He went to vegas and proved that he can adapt, he outfoxed the whily fox himself, for thati give him immense credit.

joe looked rubbish, hopkins exposed him

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

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Originally Posted by ICB

Hopkins won the first 4 rounds IMO he did land the much more effective blows in those rounds. And Calzaghe was struggling to get any punches off. Calzaghe did comeback strong and won majority of the rounds after that but i still feel Hopkins did manage to win another 2 rounds after the first 4 rounds, making it 114-113 Hopkins.

Your saying no way this and no way that basically saying your opinion is correct when it isn't. Those rounds were close and i gave them to Hopkins on the cleaner more effective punches. I have my opinion you have yours none of us are wrong because its just an opinion not a fact.

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I'm saying noway because if you give hopkins this fight after being outworked, outpunched and outscored then judging a fight must be quite an abstract thing..

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See i hate people like you who try and cause an argument, i actually do boxing and have been watching boxing for a decade. I know how to score fights and i don't appreciate that comment from you, because it really is an easy comeback and all i have to say is you don't know how to score a fight either, but i won't because like i said its just an opinion no one is wrong. Hopkins was out punched but he still landed the more cleaner effective punches and the knockdown gave him the edge in the scoring IMO.

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Have to agree as this is the same logic that all the pac fans were saying because Pac got the knockdown against JMM another close fight he got the decsion when everyone knows who won that fight too.;D

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Originally Posted by ds91

joe looked rubbish, hopkins exposed him

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Jeebus. :o

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by GodofBoxing

Some of you need to take your head out of you know what...

Just because you were saying Hopkins would win doesnt make you blind to the obvious fact that Calzaghe won...

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Im not a big fan of either man and i wern't really picking either man to win i was 50-50 on the fight. Hopkins landed the cleaner better blows and won the first 4 rounds clearly IMO and plus lets not forget the 10-8 round, then he won another 2 rounds making it 114-113 to Hopkins.

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No way Hopkins was even close to winning that. I distinctly remember you picking Hopkins by decision right before the fight too. :rolleyes:;D

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This is not the first time he goes back on his picks. I don't know why you're surprised. I am glad you called him out on it though.

ICB just believes what he hears people say. His posts hold no weight.

ICB A.K.A. "The Quoter"