Re: Calzaghe - Hopkins The Facts!!
Calzaghe won, end of story.
Sure I'm an American, I've never been sold on fighters who don't travel outside their home countries (bar RJJ he had reasons The Olympics and McClellan) but to be a WORLD CHAMPION you must show the WORLD what you can do and Joe fought Hopkins' style for a couple rounds and then did what he was supposed to sped up the fight, upped the punch output, and stalked Hopkins down.
Sure Hopkins fought dirty....this is a new thing for some of you people??? Hopkins is like a smaller meaner Evander Holyfield, he's a great fighter but GOD is it an ugly style to watch! And to beat him you have to be able to win an ugly fight, it's never going to change whether B-Hop is 20-30- or 50 years old.
Give BOTH fighters their credit Joe came to America and took the fight to Hopkins, Bernard is 43 years old and able to compete with younger fighters still in their primes.
Re: Calzaghe - Hopkins The Facts!!
Could you point me to these alleged rounds were Hopkins amased his power punches then because from my recolaction I count them in one hand..
Re: Calzaghe - Hopkins The Facts!!
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GodofBoxing
Could you point me to these alleged rounds were Hopkins amased his power punches then because from my recolaction I count them in one hand..
Im not saying Hopkins landed loads of power punches, my point was yes Calzaghe did out land Hopkins but he didn't land that many power punches nowhere near it. When Hopkins landed most of his punches were solid power punches IMO. I would pick 10 solid shots in a round rather than 25 pitter patter punches.
Re: Calzaghe - Hopkins The Facts!!
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Those punch stats don't tell the whole story the first 4 rounds Hopkins won IMO and maybe Calzaghe did land few more punches in some rounds but Hopkins still landed more effective blows of the rounds he won, just say for instance in the rounds Calzaghe won he landed 20 more punches than Hopkins in those rounds, but in the rounds he lost he landed a few more punches than Hopkins, but Hopkins landed the much more effective blows ?? punch stats can be misleading and they are in this case as well.
Punchstats doesnt "tell all" in cases like Marquez-PAC fights wherein JMM just landed about 20 more punches than PAC the whole fight BUT when it's over 100 punches landed:o that is a BIG discrepancy that even a cleaner harder puncher like Hopkins can overcome.;)
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Those punch stats don't tell the whole story the first 4 rounds Hopkins won IMO and maybe Calzaghe did land few more punches in some rounds but Hopkins still landed more effective blows of the rounds he won, just say for instance in the rounds Calzaghe won he landed 20 more punches than Hopkins in those rounds, but in the rounds he lost he landed a few more punches than Hopkins, but Hopkins landed the much more effective blows ?? punch stats can be misleading and they are in this case as well.
Punchstats doesnt "tell all" in cases like Marquez-PAC fights wherein JMM just landed about 20 more punches than PAC the whole fight BUT when it's over 100 punches landed:o that is a BIG discrepancy that even a cleaner harder puncher like Hopkins can overcome.;)
Taylor was out landed by almost 100 punches in the rematch vs Pavlik and many people thought he won the fight, in fact it was anyones fight until the last 2 rounds, the difference is Hopkins also scored a knockdown which made it even closer.
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ICB
Those punch stats don't tell the whole story the first 4 rounds Hopkins won IMO and maybe Calzaghe did land few more punches in some rounds but Hopkins still landed more effective blows of the rounds he won, just say for instance in the rounds Calzaghe won he landed 20 more punches than Hopkins in those rounds, but in the rounds he lost he landed a few more punches than Hopkins, but Hopkins landed the much more effective blows ?? punch stats can be misleading and they are in this case as well.
This must be where you gewt your 114,113 to hopkins card from then, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE 4TH ROUND, YOULL SEE CALZAGHE WON IT QUITE CONVINGLY!
That then makes your score different...PLEASE LOOK AT IT AGAIN!
u know, if u hit someones arms/shoulders/back it doesnt count as a punch landed ;)
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I think that Hopkins won the fight. Honestly no way Joe took 7 rounds by slapping and missing. Sure he pressed the fight but what did he accomplish?
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I think that Hopkins won the fight. Honestly no way Joe took 7 rounds by slapping and missing. Sure he pressed the fight but what did he accomplish?
Slapping and pressing is a million times better than getting slapped and running. :rolleyes:
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ICB
Those punch stats don't tell the whole story the first 4 rounds Hopkins won IMO and maybe Calzaghe did land few more punches in some rounds but Hopkins still landed more effective blows of the rounds he won, just say for instance in the rounds Calzaghe won he landed 20 more punches than Hopkins in those rounds, but in the rounds he lost he landed a few more punches than Hopkins, but Hopkins landed the much more effective blows ?? punch stats can be misleading and they are in this case as well.
Punchstats doesnt "tell all" in cases like Marquez-PAC fights wherein JMM just landed about 20 more punches than PAC the whole fight BUT when it's over 100 punches landed:o that is a BIG discrepancy that even a cleaner harder puncher like Hopkins can overcome.;)
Taylor was out landed by almost 100 punches in the rematch vs Pavlik and many people thought he won the fight, in fact it was anyones fight until the last 2 rounds, the difference is Hopkins also scored a knockdown which made it even closer.
For once youve written something i agree with!!!
Up until the last 2 rounds it was even, infact even maybe hopkins winning by 1 point due to the knock down.
But because calzaghe quite clearly took those last 2 rounds, thats where calzaghe wins.
Like i say, it was a very tough fight (for both fighters), an ugly fight, hopkins dominated the first segment then calzaghe turned it around, hopkins was too spent by that time and had no more tricks to turn it back.
You are right, it all came down to the last 2 rounds, the fact calzaghe won those rounds meant that he won.
Im taking nothing away from hopkins, great fighter, but calzaghe got those last two rounds and that was what swayed the fight.
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I think that Hopkins won the fight. Honestly no way Joe took 7 rounds by slapping and missing. Sure he pressed the fight but what did he accomplish?
Slapping and missing?
Why are you hating on joe?
Watch round 10 again please, he almost floored hopkins until hopkins clinched.
Hate to say it mate, but grow up mate.
I give respect to hopkins for being a great fighter, calzaghe is just better...give some respect to the man instead of insulting, it just shows your a hater.
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ICB
Those punch stats don't tell the whole story the first 4 rounds Hopkins won IMO and maybe Calzaghe did land few more punches in some rounds but Hopkins still landed more effective blows of the rounds he won, just say for instance in the rounds Calzaghe won he landed 20 more punches than Hopkins in those rounds, but in the rounds he lost he landed a few more punches than Hopkins, but Hopkins landed the much more effective blows ?? punch stats can be misleading and they are in this case as well.
This must be where you gewt your 114,113 to hopkins card from then, TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE 4TH ROUND, YOULL SEE CALZAGHE WON IT QUITE CONVINGLY!
That then makes your score different...PLEASE LOOK AT IT AGAIN!
u know, if u hit someones arms/shoulders/back it doesnt count as a punch landed ;)
Nope, but if you hit them with a hard hook and they are rocked and about to take more punches and go to floor but they grab hold of you and clinch...that is indeed a very hard power shot.
WATCH ROUND 10 AGAIN;)
Incidently, you are doing exactly what i predicted youd do in the last thread i made up about the 'haters'...remember that thread?
You instantly went with hopkins...suprise suprise everything i said is true about you.
Id have so much more respect if you actually said 'fair enough, joe proved he is the real deal, i dont like his style but have to give him credit, he adapted his game and took out bhop in vegas, not an easy thing to do'.
Anyone who says that gets my respect.
I have no respect for people who continuously spew hate from their mouth.
If the name was taylor, pavlik, jones, wright that beat hopkins with that performance then there would be no hate, but cos the name is 'calzaghe' the haters are out in force.
EXACTLY HOW I PREDICTED, remember mate;)
Re: Calzaghe - Hopkins The Facts!!
Watch Julio Diaz-Angel Manfredy. Diaz landed more punches, but Manfredy won the fight, and deserved it. That is not what happened in lastnights fight. Joe landed more, and deserved it.
