could Calzaghe end up higher than RJJ in the all time p4P list

You have to sit back and look at it all in context. Much of what Joe did up until 2006 is really a wash. He stayed in a weak division and fough mostly fringe opponents. It is a shame because he was then a better fighter than he is now. He could have made some real waves if he moved to 175 earlier.

Right now he will have a tough time beating the fighters you mention. It is not impossible though and if he does, people will look back on him favorably. Jones in his prime had that superman aura about him and it will be practically impossible to overcome.

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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THEN YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT !!!!
And need to be sectioned .

May i suggest a name change to LUCIFERTHEBELLEND

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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During Jones LHW years the division was weak...The only real person he did not go and fight was Dariusz...And Jones was not traveling and neither was Daruisz (How ever you spell it)...so the fight being made was a stalemate...In his MW and SMW years he faced and beat...Hopkins, Pazienza, Tate, Toney, Byrd, and his early LHW years he faced,,,Grant, Griffin, McCallum, Hill (who at the time was very highly reguarded),...all world class fighters of the time he faced them...

That is not the resume of a guy who did not face anyone....as much as I like Joe those names alone equal if not surpass his resume...And those were just a portion of Jones acomplishments....Plus he eventually went on to be HW champion

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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THEN YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT !!!!
And need to be sectioned .

May i suggest a name change to LUCIFERTHEBELLEND

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Ha Ha Ha...Al you crack me up...Have some rep

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Exactly what chances did Calzaghe take in his prime?

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Exactly what chances did Calzaghe take in his prime?

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Bika;D

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Absolutely not.

RJJ was a different class in his prime.

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Exactly what chances did Calzaghe take in his prime?

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Tucker Pudwill

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Exactly what chances did Calzaghe take in his prime?

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Tucker Pudwill

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Ya, fighting Tucker was a big risk, although I'm not sure if it was as risky as fighting Branko Sobot.

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Ya, fighting Tucker was a big risk, although I'm not sure if it was as risky as fighting Branko Sobot.

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Well the great Mario Veit gave him such a hard fight the first time that Calzaghe decided to rematch him again. What a warrior.

I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

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Think of it this way...Robin Reid gave a prime Joe Calzaghe all he could handle. What would prime Roy Jones have done to Robin Reid? Jones was never troubled by a b-grade fighter like that. Even Tarver, love him or hate him, at his best is a class above most of Joe's fights. He's certainly a class above Reid.

No, Joe will never be considered greater than Jones.

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right Joe may never be considered greater than Jones, but wouldnt agree that Tarvers a class above Reid, Reid was a great fighter in his day, yeah he should have retired long before he did, but in his prime he would have caused anyone problems, what makes Tarver that good? been lucky enough to catch Jones at the right time?

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Where is Reid's signature win? Every time Reid stepped up in class he lost - his biggest win was who, Hacine Cherifi? Vazquez, a blown up old LMW? I guess it's Henry Wharton. Reid is far more likable guy, but he is really not better than a top level journeyman.

Tarver beat Eric Harding, Glen Johnson, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, lost a debatable fight to Jones, then beat him twice more. Oh, and he just beat Clinton Woods. Tarver ain't an ATG, but he talks like one and people hate him for it. Nonetheless, he's a world class fighter.

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I think the only fight out there that will boost Calzaghe's legacey is Pavlick.


As for who ranks higher in terms of all time standing I wold say Jones even if he avoided certain fighters in his prime.

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WHY ? Pavlik is the world middleweight champ , why on earth would he want to move up to SM which is a joke division anyway , or LHW ? Calzaghe is unbeaten but is now trying to cement his status , which in my opinion he should have thought of 6 years ago.

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You have to sit back and look at it all in context. Much of what Joe did up until 2006 is really a wash. He stayed in a weak division and fough mostly fringe opponents. It is a shame because he was then a better fighter than he is now. He could have made some real waves if he moved to 175 earlier.
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WHY ? Pavlik is the world middleweight champ , why on earth would he want to move up to SM which is a joke division anyway , or LHW ? Calzaghe is unbeaten but is now trying to cement his status , which in my opinion he should have thought of 6 years ago.

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And that, my friends, has been my problem with Joe Calzaghe all along. Good posting

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RJJ never took chances in his prime so yes I think Calzaghe already is higher on my list than Jones.

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Wow...:-\