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Yeah the only fight of Jeffries I saw was his comeback against Johnson where he took a crazy beating, and thats really not an accurate display of what he was capable of.
From what I read he was extremely athletic though. Its a real shame we don't have high quality, HBO broadcasts of these guys ;D
the middleweight rankings are just flat out bizarre. ;D
No Hagler, no Monzon, but in a list dominated by older fighters, Roy Jones?
any list that doesnt contain srl, ali or dlh cannot be taken seriously
and rjj for that matter
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
THas about all I have seen of Jefferies myself is the Johnson fight....I posted the johnson/Jefferies vid just to get a little more footage of Jack not to make Jim look bad lol
1g5a22,
It's too bad your banned now, but I guess were better off this way.
Was wondering how many Greb fights you had seen?
Also the fact that you don't have 'Escopeta' on your Middleweights list makes me throw up. :-\
Just stumbled across the old thread & it is one of the most interesting lists thet the OP has compiled.
Whilst I have a different opinion to the OP, I think his list is more then worthy of discussion.
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And if ANYONE was going to compile a list of great anything I'm certain Mick would know ALL about it, he's on the cutting edge of whichever way the wind is blowing and he's supported fighters & football clubs since birth....hey, all he has ever seen is winners....that's why he's Mick, he's a winner, it's all he does....That Soviet wrestler Aleksandr Karelin, he was Mick's favorite! Felix Savon...that's Mick's favorite amateur heavyweight boxer, though he still has room to love Tefilo Stevenson & Laszlo Papp...Mick also loves UConn's women basketball team, the UCLA Bruin basketball team (as coached by John Wooden), The San Fransisco 49ers, Dallas Cowboys, & Pittburgh Steelers, The New York Yankees, The Montreal Canadians, & Bobby Fischer.
Mick, you make me sick
Good solid list from a more historical perspective. Only one problem with the entire list.
He put Roy Jones Jr. in the top ten of the MW, but not Hagler? :-\
Im 100% certain that most people who compile these lists over several weight classes pre-populate most of them out of obligation.
I dont know how anyone has got the front to knock the guy.
Anyway, pointless arguement, the guys banned. Lets all just enjoy Lyle firing the fuck gun into Mick for his shameless glory hunting ways ;D
geez i dont even know that many weight classes to make my own list :(
you are wrong as the greatest hw of all time is frank bruno
Ahh... an old, but yet worthless thread.
When I saw Carlos Zarate as the #6 bantamweight, with no mention of Wilfredo Gomez, or Salvador Sanchez, for that matter.... and when I saw no mention of Wilfredo Benitez anywhere on the lists....
Well... I stopped reading.
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I just looked at your lists, and it's good to see someone with a historical perspective on Boxing. My view is that class is class in any era, and fighters like Duran, Hagler and Leonard would be top-notchers in the fifties or the present day.
I also agree that modern fighters are not necessarily better technically than earlier fighters. For example, was Joe Frazier's technique lacking compared to today's Heavyweights? Hardly! He was certainly super fit, and fit for purpose, too.
I think the only way to rate fighters is to take all things into account, and I realise that this is a very hard thing to do. I lean towards the fighters of the time period from the forties to the seventies, but would include notable fighters from earlier and later times. For instance, I think Mayweather is an all time great, as was Azumah Nelson.
All in all, a great debate.