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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lyle you are very silly. Of course big oil is making huge profits, record profits. Just look to companies like Anadarko, Shell/Texaco, hell even El Paso is making money. Not only that, they are surely offsetting this all with there huge projects oil companies. Big Oil are doing alot of construction and stuff.
I'm a registered Independent myself.... so you are wrong in assuming I "drink the Republican Kool-Aide" I'm not even a registered Republican.
I know John McCain because I wanted him to win in 2000, I've followed his career for quite some time now and I know that he above everyone else in politics as a whole works with people regardless of their political party and he is solution oriented he wants to ACCOMPLISH something.
I suppose Hillary and Obama know EVERYTHING about economics :beat: ....McCain is honest and he's telling America the same thing he told those people in Michigan "You've lost your jobs, they aren't going to come back, we have to create new jobs and you have to prepare yourselves to do them".
Meanwhile Hillary and Obama have kissed so many asses their lips are chapped.
PRESIDENTS DON'T HANDLE THE ECONOMY......ADVISORS HANDLE THE ECONOMY.
Some Presidents get lucky and some Presidents have to scratch and claw their way to break even, them's the breaks buddy. Sure they can affect the market a little bit but hell so can companies like Enron or Google....the President has no control over those things so give it a rest about the economy...McCain was at least man enough to admit his shortcomings whereas Obama has no flaws :rolleyes:
If it wasn't for North Carolina Barack would have withered away into the background worse than Howard Dean in 2000. Barack is a face, he's a speaker, he's not a leader, he is an empty vessle in which liberals pour their hopes and dreams most of which I might add are slightly to overtly socialist.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
You can't be serious? If it wasn't for North Carolina? Is that a joke? Lyle what are you talking about here? Obama had a sizable lead entering North Carolina and North Carolina just kind of put the last nail in the coffin of Hillary. Obama could have sat on a beach chair after that long string of consecutive wins he had and sipped on a lemonade and still won the nomination. North Carolina was good to him but he did not need it, Hillary's fate has been sealed for a while.
Who appoints advisors?
...and who taxes those companies?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Had Barack lost in North Carolina then hell yes there would be big problems for Obama considering he hadn't won a state since Super Tuesday.
Amat if this was all over then why are they still racing and still paying Hillary attention??? Mike Huckabee kept going but everyone knew he was out of it and why wasn't he taken as seriously as Mrs. Clinton?? Everyone knows the Clinton's are like Dracula it's not over until you drive the stake through their heart and that hasn't been done until she says "I suspend my campaign"...everyone is waiting for Denver for the convention and they will wait to see if Obama really is the candidate, stranger and more crooked deals have happened before and some of them even included the Clintons.
....so Allan Greenspan got the job as chairman of the Federal Reserve during both Republican AND Democrat Presidential terms because he's such a likeable guy???
Presidents do handle economic policy, like George Bush did getting his disastrous tax cut policies made into law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Bush's Council of Economic Advisors is down to one economic advisor, no reputable economist wanting to be associated with the trainwreck that is Bush economic policy.
Would you be happy that instead of taxing oil companies the US government just took away the $70-100 billion corporate welfare handouts the oil industry gets from the government every year?
The media is paying attention to Hillary, everyone with common sense knows that her run has been over for quite some time. There is no way she can win and she's not even playing the numbers anymore whether it's the super delegates or even the Florida and Michigan delegates, none of that makes a difference because the math says she can't win. Her camp blew up this issue of the super delegates and everyone ran with that as Hillary's way to win but the super delegates almost always follow the popular vote most of the time and are now about to tip for Obama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle...and who taxes those companies?? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Had Barack lost in North Carolina then hell yes there would be big problems for Obama considering he hadn't won a state since Super Tuesday.
Amat if this was all over then why are they still racing and still paying Hillary attention??? Mike Huckabee kept going but everyone knew he was out of it and why wasn't he taken as seriously as Mrs. Clinton?? Everyone knows the Clinton's are like Dracula it's not over until you drive the stake through their heart and that hasn't been done until she says "I suspend my campaign"...everyone is waiting for Denver for the convention and they will wait to see if Obama really is the candidate, stranger and more crooked deals have happened before and some of them even included the Clintons.
....so Allan Greenspan got the job as chairman of the Federal Reserve during both Republican AND Democrat Presidential terms because he's such a likeable guy???
Hillary won Indiana by the margin of Rush Limbaugh doomsday supporters who went out to the polls and voted for Hillary to cloud up the Democratic election. Now she's even saying Obama can't win white voters while Clinton herself has shown that she can't even win WHITE WOMEN anymore.
Ouma is right, Clinton's campaign needs to be taken out back and kicked to the curb.
For a non-Republican you sure do a good impersonation of one ;) Are there any Democrats you like? I'm just curious when you last voted for one of them. Believe it or not, I voted for Romney for governor and I think he did a pretty good job, before he started worrying more about trying to become President than running the state and puckering up the religious right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Listen, I told you already, I like McCain. I was praying for him to run against Bush as an independent in 2004. I'm not sure there has every been a candidate with whom I agreed on everything or voted for with some concerns over an issue or two. Like you said yourself, McCain had to kiss the ring and play to the base of the party. The base of the Republican party scares just as much, if not more, than the base of the Democrat party. Yes, advisers handle the economy, but presidents choose the advisers and at the end of the day, they make final decisions.
Yeah companies can effect the economy as much as presidents, but the President can choose how much or how little to regulate. Republican EXECUTIVE refusal to properly monitor certain industries has played a direct role in Enron, the sub-prime crisis, and back in the day, the S & L bailout. I'm more comfortable with a President who understands that corporations need policing just like everybody else. I hope Mr. McCain agrees, but most of his party certainly doesn't.
But that's secondary. I believe in personal freedom and the Constitution. I believe in a woman's right to choose, I believe in the separation of church and state. I believe corporate monopolies are dangerous and unconstitutional. I believe in habeas corpus, justification for search warrants, the right to view internet porn, and the release of non-violent drug offenders so we can stop wasting money and keep real criminals in jail without spending more of my tax dollars on prisons. I also agree with the right to carry guns (unlike Mrs. Clinton), but P4P on the issues regarding personal freedom, I prefer Clinton.
But at the end of the day, Lyle, for whatever our different reasons, you and I will vote for the same guy if Obama gets the nod. Ain't American great?
Or they could try pointing out he cheated on his first wife,his second wife got so addicted to percodan and vicodin that she stole it from her own charity,he's voted for every single thing Bush has wanted damn nigh, and Mr "Open Goverment"'s wife also refuses to let her tax records be opened,even though all the other canidates and their spouses have.And the guy he hand picked to run the national convention had to resign because his lobbying firm go $500K from the military junta in MyanmarQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I mean,those are good jumping off points
For myself,This will be a 'turn and cough' voting year.I am In Independent and have voted Republican,Democrat and Libertarian.At a point in 2000 I was set to vote for McCain and felt he was Savaged by Bush and his operatives with the whisper/shout smears.For the record I believe Bush to be an absolute farce and dangerous,An Insult to the Military & exploits them and lives in a world of Catch phrases and simplistic quips.I do believe that the dye has been cast and Clinton needs to put the pride in the pocket and step aside so Obama and McCain can get down to hashing it all out.Obama better buckle up because he will get it from all fronts,I know very little about him but we will soon hear more than we cared to know i feel.I see this one getting ugly but do hope they sincerely focus on our pressing concerns......The Economy,My nephews and nieces paying off this immense bebt,This short sided/mis managed /non thought out War that will be with us for quite some time,regardless of who becomes our Commander in chief.
I'd be happy if farmers were not paid just to grow corn for fucking ethanol which can't be helping gas prices OR food prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I voted in the Democratic Primaries here in North Carolina thank you very much :twak:
Rozzy then stop arguing with me...I believe in the Constitution, I believe in individual choices and responsibility and which party again does the better job of the two at those issues (bar abortion).
Trainer....listen you can't be held accountable for someone else's wrong doings and that dude resigned.....and I'll have you know Cindy McCain had her troubles back in 1989 and right now she's better first lady material than Jimmy Carter with a Fox Attitude Bill Clinton or some Black Panther wannabe Michelle Obama.
You want to talk SCANDAL what about Rezko or Bill Ayers or Rev. Wright or Norman Hsu or Vince Foster or Snipergate or Watergate or Sandy Berger or Monica, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, or the girl Bill raped and no one ever talks about it Juanita Broadrick???
We can start slinging mud but I'll warn you it's going to end up mainly on YOUR side ;D
....cheated on his first wife....give me a fucking break....McCain does it ONCE and all of a sudden it's a big deal ....where were you in the 1990's??? :rolleyes: Jumping off points.....buddy you don't even know.
Tell me the Democrats aren't exactly what they call the Republicans....politics is full of liars and cheats and the good ones get away with it but the difference between you and me is I know it's true and you're still holding out hope that Obama isn't a dirty fucking bastard....you can't get anywhere in politics without SOMEBODY having something on you it's the cold hard truth.
I love America, I love what has been passed on to me and I don't want people to berate it and talk crap about it....I just want people to be like me and work to make it better and that's where our views change on how to make it better...I don't want a bunch of brain dead hippies burning flags and chanting in the street I want them to get a fucking job and do something with themselves which MAY in turn change policies. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
Wait,your managment style is you hire a guy with those ties,and your not accountable?
In what buisness do you work?
There are these things called interviews,its a key part of managment,actually its the main part
He didnt bother to check out the guy who was running his own convention,and you want him to run the country?
....ok fine a lobbyist tried to help someone with PR for money.....WOW surprise :o
Now would someone explain to me Ronald Brown and Vince Foster's untimely deaths :-\
I wouldn't expect Obama to have anything big happen yet but it'll happen and when it does, I'm going to be here waiting for an explination...although he could explain his ties to Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and how those ties did NOT affect his political views :rolleyes:
Gee a suicide and a plane crash,no,those never happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I mean not in Falwell world,wich is unfortunatly not planet Earth,but I suppose it gives you something to talk about
Oh you didnt know
That load of tripe was paid for by Richard Mellon Scaife and hawked by Jerry(Pagans and the ACLU caused 9/11) Falwell
Its called the Arkansas Project,they never even found any concrete evidence on anything but a BJ
It cost them millions of dollars to find out the President had a hummer
Dude,turn off Limbaugh and Hannity
Lyle is the next Kenneth Star.