The heavyweight division needs excitement

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....only Valuev is 7 feet tall and 300 pounds....so your problem again is???



Most of the big guyss of today like to BOX because giving up their size advantage isn't worth their while. These guys fight smarter than the big guys of old and they should.


And this was boring to watch???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCG1fYZGVg



There is a lot more to boxing than just the Mike Tyson's of the sport.

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Fighting smart may be good for their health, but it isn't good for the sport. No one wants to watch two oafs paw each other round after round before the judges decide who did the better pawing.

No shit. As I stated before, excitement comes in all sorts of packages, and this isn't about what you or I like or want, it's about what will get the public's interest, and if you think that doesnt matter, you're living in a dream world. More money floating around = Better for the sport any way you slice it.

and beating up an well past his prime mike Tyson, is not that exciting, are you going to put on the Danny Williams v Tyson clip next and say he was an exciting fighter?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

There are plenty of name fighters out there who are good and can add depth to the division but seemingly no place where they can catch the eye of the public and no one willing to make the matchups.

top level: Wlad, Sam Peter, Vitali, Sultan, Chagaev, and to a faaaaar lesser extent Valuev

Old vets: Golota, Rahman, Briggs, Brewster, Ruiz, Lyakhovich, Virchis, Minto, Skelton, Sprott, Danny Williams, Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Larry Donald, Ray Austin, Domonick Guinn

young/untested fighters: Dimitrenko, Solis, Chambers, Arreola, Witherspoon, Fields (you laugh but hell I'd like to see him fight someone worth a damn), Kevin Johnson, Oleg Platov, Albert Sosnowski, Roman Greenburg, Malik Scott, Denis Boytsov, Mike Marrone, Alonzo Butler, JD Chapman, and on and on.

Tell me you can't find some matches between those guys

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Sorry... this list does nothing for me. Other than Wladimir and Sam Peter, none of the active HW's thrill me all that much. And Peter still needs a lot of polishing. Give me 160 and 147 any day of the week.

By the way... Wlad and Sultan. Didn't they just have a snoozefest of a "fight" not too long ago? Naw-w-w-w.... the big guy division is a bore right now.

Athletes simply get bigger look at your NFL players of days gone by...Dan Dierdorf was a great offensive tackle at 6'3 275 pounds....these days the best offensive tackle is Orlando Pace and he's 6'7 325.

Guys just get bigger....some are still smaller and do well but the average heavyweight is only going to get heavier

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

There are plenty of name fighters out there who are good and can add depth to the division but seemingly no place where they can catch the eye of the public and no one willing to make the matchups.

top level: Wlad, Sam Peter, Vitali, Sultan, Chagaev, and to a faaaaar lesser extent Valuev

Old vets: Golota, Rahman, Briggs, Brewster, Ruiz, Lyakhovich, Virchis, Minto, Skelton, Sprott, Danny Williams, Krasniqi, Sinan Samil Sam, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Larry Donald, Ray Austin, Domonick Guinn

young/untested fighters: Dimitrenko, Solis, Chambers, Arreola, Witherspoon, Fields (you laugh but hell I'd like to see him fight someone worth a damn), Kevin Johnson, Oleg Platov, Albert Sosnowski, Roman Greenburg, Malik Scott, Denis Boytsov, Mike Marrone, Alonzo Butler, JD Chapman, and on and on.

Tell me you can't find some matches between those guys

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Sorry... this list does nothing for me. Other than Wladimir and Sam Peter, none of the active HW's thrill me all that much. And Peter still needs a lot of polishing. Give me 160 and 147 any day of the week.

By the way... Wlad and Sultan. Didn't they just have a snoozefest of a "fight" not too long ago? Naw-w-w-w.... the big guy division is a bore right now.

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the only one on that list that looks halfway decent is Denis Boytsov, he is the only one that moves, but stick him in with one of the giants and he will probably lose. Did you really mention JD Chapman, wow have you seen him fight, and Tye Fields that is crazy he fights like a drunken fat guy in a bar, Go back and do some more research

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

Sorry did you mention Golota v Povetkin as an exciting fight???

Really?

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Yes why not ??

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Erm because it won't be an exciting fight, Golota is old and past it and Povetkin is just a regular boxer, nothing special

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Why wouldn't it be an exciting fight ?? Povetkin has an exciting style, and so does Golota, Golota was in an entertaining fight with Mollo in his last fight. Excitement wise it would be good action i guarantee it.

...listen sport...I put those guys on there because I think it would be "exciting" for someone who actually has some skill to KO them OR that the fans might get lucky and get to see a brawl.

As for talent, Odlanier Solis is very talented, Cris Arreola is talented, Povetkin, Dimitrenko....those guys are good fighters and if you don't care about good fighters then may I suggest you mozy on down to the "Tuff Man" competitions and leave boxing for those who understand the sport.

Not everyone is a great fighter and not every fight is an exciting matchup, if you can't understand that then maybe boxing isn't for you.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

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Originally Posted by ICB

Yes why not ??

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Erm because it won't be an exciting fight, Golota is old and past it and Povetkin is just a regular boxer, nothing special

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Why wouldn't it be an exciting fight ?? Povetkin has an exciting style, and so does Golota, Golota was in an entertaining fight with Mollo in his last fight. Excitement wise it would be good action i guarantee it.

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Ok we will see, Povetkin exciting style? are you sure, Mollo made Golota fight and then run out of steam, not sure it was that exciting fight, but hey each to their own. watch the Eddie Chambers v Povetkin, that was really exciting, (When I woke up after it had finished)

I'll just leave it at this: For all of you guys sitting there shaking your head at what I'm saying, just watch. Keep your eyes open in the future, because I promise you: Someone is going to come in the near future and take every single one of those unathletic oafs to school, because I'm telling you, the days of these big chumps running things in the heavyweight division are coming to an end.

And just to make this clear: I am not predicting the coming of some buffed up Mighty Mouse that's going to knock them all out, but sooner rather than later a REAL champion will emerge from the pack of chumps currently known as the heavyweight division, and he sure as hell won't be some 8 foot 400 pound ogre.

"Ok we will see, Povetkin exciting style? are you sure, Mollo made Golota fight and then run out of steam, not sure it was that exciting fight, but hey each to their own. watch the Eddie Chambers v Povetkin, that was really exciting, (When I woke up after it had finished)"

Gee I wish we had more sarcasm on here....that would be great

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...listen sport...I put those guys on there because I think it would be "exciting" for someone who actually has some skill to KO them OR that the fans might get lucky and get to see a brawl.

As for talent, Odlanier Solis is very talented, Cris Arreola is talented, Povetkin, Dimitrenko....those guys are good fighters and if you don't care about good fighters then may I suggest you mozy on down to the "Tuff Man" competitions and leave boxing for those who understand the sport.

Not everyone is a great fighter and not every fight is an exciting matchup, if you can't understand that then maybe boxing isn't for you.

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If they're not great fighters, why are they getting paid to fight?

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

I'll just leave it at this: For all of you guys sitting there shaking your head at what I'm saying, just watch. Keep your eyes open in the future, because I promise you: Someone is going to come in the near future and take every single one of those unathletic oafs to school, because I'm telling you, the days of these big chumps running things in the heavyweight division are coming to an end.

And just to make this clear: I am not predicting the coming of some buffed up Mighty Mouse that's going to knock them all out, but sooner rather than later a REAL champion will emerge from the pack of chumps currently known as the heavyweight division, and he sure as hell won't be some 8 foot 400 pound ogre.

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Well I think Wladimir is pretty much a "real champ" ...it's not his fault Sultan fought the way he did....but hey who can blame him, not too many people like getting hit in the face

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

I'll just leave it at this: For all of you guys sitting there shaking your head at what I'm saying, just watch. Keep your eyes open in the future, because I promise you: Someone is going to come in the near future and take every single one of those unathletic oafs to school, because I'm telling you, the days of these big chumps running things in the heavyweight division are coming to an end.

And just to make this clear: I am not predicting the coming of some buffed up Mighty Mouse that's going to knock them all out, but sooner rather than later a REAL champion will emerge from the pack of chumps currently known as the heavyweight division, and he sure as hell won't be some 8 foot 400 pound ogre.

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Well I think Wladimir is pretty much a "real champ" ...it's not his fault Sultan fought the way he did....but hey who can blame him, not too many people like getting hit in the face

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The heavyweight division hasn't had anything resembling a champion since Lennox hung up his gloves.

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

If they're not great fighters, why are they getting paid to fight?

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When I say GREAT I mean GREAT....like Louis, Ali, Foreman, Marciano, etc.

Not everyone is like that. And not everyone is Mike Tyson and not everyone is Ike Ibeabuchi or David Tua or Earnie Shavers.


They get paid to fight because they are good at fighting or the person they are fighting is good at fighting or simply because there is a market for it.

Not all of them are ONLY professional fighters either, most of them keep their regular jobs and fight on the side.

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Originally Posted by aburwell89

The heavyweight division hasn't had anything resembling a champion since Lennox hung up his gloves.

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And you didn't even like him......so why are you still here?