Re: Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ono
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ono
Good point.
I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.
Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.
The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.
Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.
Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!
Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)
You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.
Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.
He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.
Your making bad excuses... Hatton never was a huge puncher, he wouldn't have to be if he still had good stamina, used his skills more. THere have been other successful pressure fighers who didn't hit really hard. Hatton just needed to utilize his speed more, and the biggest problem he had with Collazo, except him being southpaw, and MAyweather is that they were quick enough to counter him in no man's land whereas everyone else he fought didn't have the speed to make Hatton pay for his mistakes.
Same thing to a smaller degree with Hopkins vs Calzaghe, while Hopkins was fresher he was able to catch Calzaghe in situations where nobody else was able to, and Roy JOnes Jr would have been able to as well.
AS for Cotto I am saying that the style matchup is absolutely horrible for Hatton, not that Cotto is way better even though he sort of is.
Re: Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather
I'm so sick of hearing this weight excuse for Hatton.
Floyd would beat Hatton at any weight and any time in his career.
FLAT OUT Floyd was better at 130, 135 and 140 than he has been at 147. Floyd was nearly un hittable at the lower weights. Watch Floyd at lighter weights and you'll quickly realize he would've embarrassed Ricky at any weight. As soon as he moved to 147 I thought he was getting hit with way more solid shots by far than at any time so far. Thats why its a big chance Floyd took moving up in weight. He is a natural 140 lber IMO. He is so slick at that weight its not even human.
Which of Cotto's fights at 140 make anyone think Hatton wouldn't get brutally KOed by Miguel? Which one? Miguel is a natural 140 lber IMO also. Do any of Ricky's fans really want to see Hatton taking clean shots from Cotto even at 140?
Hatton is what he is. He got exposed by a much superior fighter in Mayweather. That doesn't mean he is a chump, just that he isn't an all time great. He got beat, deal with it. First it was the ref, now its the weight in the future when he loses there'll be other excuses.
Hatton is still a big draw, he's bound to fight some other top competition.
Re: Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ono
Quote:
Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.
Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.
Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!
Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)
You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.
Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.
He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.
Your making bad excuses... Hatton never was a huge puncher, he wouldn't have to be if he still had good stamina, used his skills more. THere have been other successful pressure fighers who didn't hit really hard. Hatton just needed to utilize his speed more, and the biggest problem he had with Collazo, except him being southpaw, and MAyweather is that they were quick enough to counter him in no man's land whereas everyone else he fought didn't have the speed to make Hatton pay for his mistakes.
Same thing to a smaller degree with Hopkins vs Calzaghe, while Hopkins was fresher he was able to catch Calzaghe in situations where nobody else was able to, and Roy JOnes Jr would have been able to as well.
AS for Cotto I am saying that the style matchup is absolutely horrible for Hatton, not that Cotto is way better even though he sort of is.
I don't think anybody is making excuses. We were just pretty much stating that Hatton isn't world class at 147. And there are obviously multiple reasons for this.
Re: Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ono
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Bah Mayweather is smaller than Hatton naturally... look where they started their careers. Mayweather uses his great spead and defensive skills to compete at WW and LMW, but he isn't a natural WW at all. Who cares at 140? Cotto hasn't foughten there in years, and if Hatton had beaten MAyweather the fight would have been at 147... its like saying Roy Jones Jr would have beaten ALi at 175 after Ali came back after his 3 year ban. THere is no way ALi would have been able to make it back down, just like it would be impossible for Cotto to make 140 now. He's a lot bigger physically than he was at 140, and he's older by a few years.
I don't think Mayweather is naturally smaller than Hatton. I think Mayweather started off in the lower weights mainly because he was under-nourished. Over the years he's filled out and gained sized without a problem.
People make the mistake of thinking Hatton is huge, because of how much he weighs in between fights. The reality is, he only adds fat. He doesn't have to lose muscle mass to reach 140. That's why he loses weight quite easily.
Hatton doesn't have the core strength to compete at 147. Core strength is very important. Mayweather obviously does.
Cotto would crush Hatton at 147. Hatton would be too much at 140 (even if they fought 2 years ago).
That's rediculous that MAyweather fought at lower weights because he was undernourished... He fought at lower weights after making millions. He isn't like DLH who has a really big frame, look how muscular Mayweather is now, he had to add on a lot of weight to get up here. Hatton weighed 160 when he fought Collazo on fight night, and thats how much Mayweather weighs inbetween fights. Obviously Hatton doesn't stay in the best shape inbetween fights, but he is thicker than MAyweather, and naturally a stouter, stronger guy.
Ricky relies on physical strength and power. Floyd relies on speed and skill. Because of his style, and because he's so good with that style, Floyd can fight naturally bigger men. You're correct, Ricky is naturally stronger and stouter, but Floyd has decent reach, even at WW. Ricky has bad reach even for a LWW.
That was a silly statement the Mayweather was undernourished. Where did that come from?
Re: Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather
Quote:
Originally Posted by
RozzySean
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Taeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ono
I don't think Mayweather is naturally smaller than Hatton. I think Mayweather started off in the lower weights mainly because he was under-nourished. Over the years he's filled out and gained sized without a problem.
People make the mistake of thinking Hatton is huge, because of how much he weighs in between fights. The reality is, he only adds fat. He doesn't have to lose muscle mass to reach 140. That's why he loses weight quite easily.
Hatton doesn't have the core strength to compete at 147. Core strength is very important. Mayweather obviously does.
Cotto would crush Hatton at 147. Hatton would be too much at 140 (even if they fought 2 years ago).
That's rediculous that MAyweather fought at lower weights because he was undernourished... He fought at lower weights after making millions. He isn't like DLH who has a really big frame, look how muscular Mayweather is now, he had to add on a lot of weight to get up here. Hatton weighed 160 when he fought Collazo on fight night, and thats how much Mayweather weighs inbetween fights. Obviously Hatton doesn't stay in the best shape inbetween fights, but he is thicker than MAyweather, and naturally a stouter, stronger guy.
Ricky relies on physical strength and power. Floyd relies on speed and skill. Because of his style, and because he's so good with that style, Floyd can fight naturally bigger men. You're correct, Ricky is naturally stronger and stouter, but Floyd has decent reach, even at WW. Ricky has bad reach even for a LWW.
That was a silly statement the Mayweather was undernourished. Where did that come from?
Heard it quoted quite a few times. Even by his uncle once.
And to be honest i agree.
Look at his reach for example. Like you said, even at 147 he has a decent reach. Don't know that many natural 130lb fighters with that sort of reach. He's filled out no problem and walks round at 155 very comfortably. He hasn't exactly added loads of muscle mass.
Under-nourished doesn't mean he was some starving euthiopian kid. It just means he didn't consume enough calories (or his metabalism allowed him to burn them off so quickly) to reach his genetically determined weight.....untill he got a bit older.
Another example is Manny Pacquiao.
Obviously Mayweather's style has also helped him move up the weights without much problems also.
