Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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liquid
Really what making a P4P list does is force you to take 10 different kinds of fruit and rank them by which tastes best. Some guys are going to have a lot of apples, some will have a lot of oranges, but there are other fruits to be considered that may not be as sweet, but sweetness isn't the only factor. That's why I don't have a P4P list. I'm not aware enough of the fighters below 130 to put a SMW above them. I know the guys I like and I leave it at that. I have an idea of guys who should be on a P4P list, but I know if I made one I'd have to cut most of them because there would be way more than ten.
completely agree
People are always so eager to give credit to the smaller fighter because he throws more punches, is much quicker and able to get into wars that perhaps 2 heavyweights wouldnt be able to get into due to the fact they both hit so hard.
Though while i agree on your theory i still believe it is relatively possible to calculate who are the best P4P fighters in the world.
I hadnt seen Wlad for a good while before the Ibraghimov fight. After seeing that performance i completely wrote off Wlad and to be perfectly honest believe the jury is still well and truly out on him.
Would pavlik of pawed his jab for 12rounds against an inferior fighter he knew if he really took a chance could have him out of there at any time. Same goes for pacquiao, hatton and cotto.
Whenever you see Wlad you just get the sense he is going through the motions and that just is not good enough for a man who has the talent and the ability to finally bring some respect back to the heavyweight division.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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liquid
But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.
OK.. so take the best and worst attributes of both fighters. Morph them into a weight-class where their size and weight is leveled (halfway) - then pick the winner?
I make Pac an EASY winner.
;D
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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Fenster
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liquid
But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.
OK.. so take the best and worst attributes of both fighters. Morph them into a weight-class where their size and weight is leveled (halfway) - then pick the winner?
I make Pac an EASY winner.
;D
But then your still working from a theoretical standpoint.
Would pacs speed advance with him to say a dead 160, understandably there would be some kind of decline in his work rate. But would that extra weight prove to slow him down more than the norm.
Would Wlad lose his ability to throw that jab 20-30 times a round if he was fighting at a lower weight and had to rely more on countering with the right.
Its only ever fair to compare fighters in the same weight class, P4P rankings are all good as your judging each on their individual abilitys and accomplishments.
But P4P is still no more than various judgements!!
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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Fenster
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liquid
But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.
OK.. so take the best and worst attributes of both fighters. Morph them into a weight-class where their size and weight is leveled (halfway) - then pick the winner?
I make Pac an EASY winner.
;D
I think it would be similar to Corrie Sanders vs Wladimir Klitscko, Sanders was a fast punching powerful Southpaw, can anyone see a deja vu there ??
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
Yeah that's it, Ice.
Pac would KO him in 1 though.
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hattonthehammer
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Fenster
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liquid
But that's still assuming Pac could take a HW punch and could lug around that extra weight. If you make adjustments for that, then perhaps comparable adjustments could be made for Klitschko to be a force at 130. At 110 pounds lighter he could be a great deal faster. Judge him for who he is where he is not for what other fighters are in their classes.
OK.. so take the best and worst attributes of both fighters. Morph them into a weight-class where their size and weight is leveled (halfway) - then pick the winner?
I make Pac an EASY winner.
;D
But then your still working from a theoretical standpoint.
Would pacs speed advance with him to say a dead 160, understandably there would be some kind of decline in his work rate. But would that extra weight prove to slow him down more than the norm.
Would Wlad lose his ability to throw that jab 20-30 times a round if he was fighting at a lower weight and had to rely more on countering with the right.
Its only ever fair to compare fighters in the same weight class, P4P rankings are all good as your judging each on their individual abilitys and accomplishments.
But P4P is still no more than various judgements!!
Yes. P4P is a load of bollocks. Fact.
But it's fun ;D
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
Wlad vs Haye.
Whoever wins by KO, goes in my top 10 p4p list.
nuff said.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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Pacstraightleft
Wlad vs Haye.
Whoever wins by KO, goes in my top 10 p4p list.
nuff said.
Then if and when it happens Wlad will go into your top ten. Haye is a tailor-made fighter for Klitschko. He sticks his whole head forward and crouches down- he looks like an old man. When he leaps in he'll get tied up and he'll be frustrated on the outside until he gets blanked with a straight right that sneaks in behind the jab. Haye's defense is POUROUS and while that worked with Enzo Macarinelli, Wlad will make you pay if you keep your hands down.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
Wlad doesn't belong on any Pound4Pound lists because he's a heavyweight and the list was made to showcase the lighter weight classes....he could beat Jesus and still wouldn't make the P4P list.
I'm a Wlad fan...I just don't think natural heavyweights deserve to be on the list
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
If he paid me a million dollars I'd make him p4p number 1 on my list hands down.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
Question: What would Wlad have to do to make my top 10 p4p list?
Answer: He'd have to go out and rustle up opponents with a pulse to make the HW division worth watching again. (And then beat them, of course.)
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
... it's either that, or put a "hit" out on an awful lot of great boxers.
;D
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It's not that Wlad isn't one of the top 10 best fighters in the world...it's just the heavyweight needs to stand alone and the p4p mess is for everyone else.
Wlad is going to thump Tony Thompson when they fight...goodnight sweetheart!
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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Lyle
It's not that Wlad isn't one of the top 10 best fighters in the world...it's just the heavyweight needs to stand alone and the p4p mess is for everyone else.
Wlad is going to thump Tony Thompson when they fight...goodnight sweetheart!
It is in fact precisely that, if you ask me.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
Wlad ain't on there cos he ain't good enough.
But why ain't Haye on that list he's the most talented of the lot? He has everything.
Haye is probably the most naturally talented fighter I have ever seen and I have seen most of the top fighters through the ages.
Outstanding fighter and P4P he would knock them all out. He would wreck old Joe Calzaghe right now and knock some sense into Bernard Popkins.
These rankings are based on names rather than ability.
Re: What will Wlad have to do to make your Top 10 PFP?
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liquid
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Pacstraightleft
Wlad vs Haye.
Whoever wins by KO, goes in my top 10 p4p list.
nuff said.
Then if and when it happens Wlad will go into your top ten. Haye is a tailor-made fighter for Klitschko. He sticks his whole head forward and crouches down- he looks like an old man. When he leaps in he'll get tied up and he'll be frustrated on the outside until he gets blanked with a straight right that sneaks in behind the jab. Haye's defense is POUROUS and while that worked with Enzo Macarinelli, Wlad will make you pay if you keep your hands down.
Liquid don't post based on seeing the guy fight once - which is plainly obvious from your completely wrong analysis of Haye's style.:rolleyes:
Wlad ain't quick enough to deal with Haye - simple as that.
