Nate Campbell-Joan Guzman "all but set"

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Originally Posted by ICB

And before any of the Pac fans say it no it doesn't count when Morales fought the entire 12th round of there first fight in a Southpaw stance ;)

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it wasnt the entire 12 round but eric is a fxcking legend and crazy fxcking legend. im never going to forget that moment, and i would of never forgive eric if he would of went down from the punches pac landed in that round while he was in the southpaw stance. thats erics last hoorrraaa.

infact that moment inspired me so much, when im going through hard decision moments at work or in life. I'd say to myself, what would eric do? ;D

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

doode this is no floyd. you wont see floyd throw wide shot and trade stupidly in the middle of the ring.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IEmX4hKi5Y&feature=related

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I never said he is exactly like Mayweather just something's he does remind of Mayweather.

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yea his guzman, not floyd. theres some clear signs of the mayweather teaching but imo he can't carry those wisdom like floyd can. his guzman the one that will throw wide shots and trade from time to time. a meal for the elite really.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by ICB

And before any of the Pac fans say it no it doesn't count when Morales fought the entire 12th round of there first fight in a Southpaw stance ;)

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it wasnt the entire 12 round but eric is a fxcking legend and crazy fxcking legend. im never going to forget that moment, and i would of never forgive eric if he would of went down from the punches pac landed in that round while he was in the southpaw stance. thats erics last hoorrraaa.

infact that moment inspired me so much, when im going through hard decision moments at work or in life. I'd say to myself, what would eric do? ;D

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That fight had two great moments one Roy Jones putting Larry Merchant in his place, then Morales's corner telling him not to do anything stupid, then he goes and fights majority of the 12th round in a Southpaw stance, you gotta love the heart/macho by Morales. And by the way my question still stands Pacquiao fans, when is the last time Pacquiao fought a good Southpaw ??

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Its on another website, this has seemed inevitable lately, they just have to make it official. Apparently both sides have agreed in principle, they just have to work out things like the TV network, apparently HBO and Showtime are both interested but Showtime has the better date.

Nice fight, really looking forward to it as a fan of Guzman. Tough first fight at a new weight class for Joan but I'm favoring him.

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i like guzman in this

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by ICB

And before any of the Pac fans say it no it doesn't count when Morales fought the entire 12th round of there first fight in a Southpaw stance ;)

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it wasnt the entire 12 round but eric is a fxcking legend and crazy fxcking legend. im never going to forget that moment, and i would of never forgive eric if he would of went down from the punches pac landed in that round while he was in the southpaw stance. thats erics last hoorrraaa.

infact that moment inspired me so much, when im going through hard decision moments at work or in life. I'd say to myself, what would eric do? ;D

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That fight had two great moments one Roy Jones putting Larry Merchant in his place, then Morales's corner telling him not to do anything stupid, then he goes and fights majority of the 12th round in a Southpaw stance, you gotta love the heart/macho by Morales. And by the way my question still stands Pacquiao fans, when is the last time Pacquiao fought a good Southpaw ??

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was sanchez a southpaw? can't remember but that bastard is dirty.

Yea i remember roy telling larry, you never box so you don't know. but imo roy was kinda exaggerating about pacs confident being bother cause it was like the 3rd round both eric and pac was just warming up. the war just started ;D Also erics camp seem like they were about to either win the lottery or eric would potentially gamble it and set the ticket up on fire.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

it wasnt the entire 12 round but eric is a fxcking legend and crazy fxcking legend. im never going to forget that moment, and i would of never forgive eric if he would of went down from the punches pac landed in that round while he was in the southpaw stance. thats erics last hoorrraaa.

infact that moment inspired me so much, when im going through hard decision moments at work or in life. I'd say to myself, what would eric do? ;D

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That fight had two great moments one Roy Jones putting Larry Merchant in his place, then Morales's corner telling him not to do anything stupid, then he goes and fights majority of the 12th round in a Southpaw stance, you gotta love the heart/macho by Morales. And by the way my question still stands Pacquiao fans, when is the last time Pacquiao fought a good Southpaw ??

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was sanchez a southpaw? can't remember but that bastard is dirty.

Yea i remember roy telling larry, you never box so you don't know. but imo roy was kinda exaggerating about pacs confident being bother cause it was like the 3rd round both eric and pac was just warming up. the war just started ;D Also erics camp seem like they were about to either win the lottery or eric would potentially gamble it and set the ticket up on fire.

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Yea Sanchez was a Southpaw but it wasn't the Southpaw stance that gave Pac trouble IMO, it was his rough dirty style that was a bloodbath thats for sure. But i would like to see how Pacquiao would deal with a skilled Southpaw like Casamayor because Pacquiao hasn't fought that many good Southpaw's too my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by ICB

That fight had two great moments one Roy Jones putting Larry Merchant in his place, then Morales's corner telling him not to do anything stupid, then he goes and fights majority of the 12th round in a Southpaw stance, you gotta love the heart/macho by Morales. And by the way my question still stands Pacquiao fans, when is the last time Pacquiao fought a good Southpaw ??

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was sanchez a southpaw? can't remember but that bastard is dirty.

Yea i remember roy telling larry, you never box so you don't know. but imo roy was kinda exaggerating about pacs confident being bother cause it was like the 3rd round both eric and pac was just warming up. the war just started ;D Also erics camp seem like they were about to either win the lottery or eric would potentially gamble it and set the ticket up on fire.

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Yea Sanchez was a Southpaw but it wasn't the Southpaw stance that gave Pac trouble IMO, it was his rough dirty style that was a bloodbath thats for sure. But i would like to see how Pacquiao would deal with a skilled Southpaw like Casamayor because Pacquiao hasn't fought that many good Southpaw's too my knowledge.

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it can go both ways though, pac is the top of the class of soutpaws. anybody facing him are being ask the same question, how would they deal with a southpaw especially a southpaw like pac. Casa is trouble for anyone cause like pac he has power plus casa can be slick and dirty.

Julius how much have you seen Guzman fight? Doesn't sound like much. The comparisions to Mayweather are obvious, he's a versatile fighter with virtually the same defensive style as Floyd. The difference is Guzman throws some wide shots sometimes and he's a combination puncher. But he's a lot like Mayweather that's why he got Mayweather as his trainer.

You're comparing his accomplishments to Mayweather which is obviously not what anyone is talking about. And Soto was a very good fighter in fact Pacquiao wanted to fight him I bet you would have never said that if he was fighting Pacquiao. Soto reminded me a lot of Margarito.

To say he would be less of a threat to Pacquiao then Casamayor is pretty dumb Rains I would suggest watching more Guzman.

Anyways, I think Guzman is the most talented guy in boxing outside of Mayweather. Think he wins I would take him over anyone at the weight. Tough break for Campbell.

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Originally Posted by amat

Julius how much have you seen Guzman fight? Doesn't sound like much. The comparisions to Mayweather are obvious, he's a versatile fighter with virtually the same defensive style as Floyd. The difference is Guzman throws some wide shots sometimes and he's a combination puncher. But he's a lot like Mayweather that's why he got Mayweather as his trainer.

You're comparing his accomplishments to Mayweather which is obviously not what anyone is talking about. And Soto was a very good fighter in fact Pacquiao wanted to fight him I bet you would have never said that if he was fighting Pacquiao. Soto reminded me a lot of Margarito.

To say he would be less of a threat to Pacquiao then Casamayor is pretty dumb Rains I would suggest watching more Guzman.

Anyways, I think Guzman is the most talented guy in boxing outside of Mayweather. Think he wins I would take him over anyone at the weight. Tough break for Campbell.

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you saying that is pretty dumb, casa can end a fight in a second while guzman can't and has to risk getting caught til the 12th.

Ive seen enough of guzman to know he wont beat, pac jmm and casa.

what makes you think i wouldnt point out that soto isnt a very good fighter compare to other fighters pac has fought. I would of said he'd be a tune up like larios, infact one of guzman best oppenet = pacs tune up. The only reason pac would want to fight soto is because soto wrecked bobby. knowing he had better fighters to take care of, mab and jmm pac didn't give much thought to it afterwards. plus bobby is always getting beaten.

I was pointing out that guzman is no floyd, not even close. infact if he never had mayweather in his corner nobody would notice much of what he imitates from floyd. he can't hide his real self though, his gonna go wide with his punches or he will run.

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Originally Posted by amat

Julius how much have you seen Guzman fight? Doesn't sound like much. The comparisions to Mayweather are obvious, he's a versatile fighter with virtually the same defensive style as Floyd. The difference is Guzman throws some wide shots sometimes and he's a combination puncher. But he's a lot like Mayweather that's why he got Mayweather as his trainer.

You're comparing his accomplishments to Mayweather which is obviously not what anyone is talking about. And Soto was a very good fighter in fact Pacquiao wanted to fight him I bet you would have never said that if he was fighting Pacquiao. Soto reminded me a lot of Margarito.

To say he would be less of a threat to Pacquiao then Casamayor is pretty dumb Rains I would suggest watching more Guzman.

Anyways, I think Guzman is the most talented guy in boxing outside of Mayweather. Think he wins I would take him over anyone at the weight. Tough break for Campbell.

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WTF?

Why would that be dumb? When was the last time Guzman sent someone to the canvas?:confused::-\ Is he a dangerous fighter?.. Hell no. Casamayor is the most dangerous fighter at LW, and that makes him a threat to everybody in that division.

Respect it or not, Imo, Guzman is no threat for Pac. Marquez is technically better than Guzman.

OK I'm in some bizarro world I think right now. I'm a big Casamayor fan but he's an absolute shell of what he used to be. Am I the only one who remembers him dropping nearly every round to Santa Cruz? Santa Cruz? He was losing on the scorecards to the very unskilled Michael Katsidis. He's a shell who is one or two fights away from being retired or irrelevant in the lightweight division.

Guzman however is in his prime and is one of the most talented fighters on the planet. That's how he's the much bigger threat to Pac.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Respect it or not, Imo, Guzman is no threat for Pac.

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i can't believe after all these years, people still think pac is going to get outboxed for 12 rounds. and to suggest guzman is the guy to do it, a guy who throws wide and trades with no POWER!? ha i laughed, the treats are the ones can end a fight at anytime. guzman had little power at superfeatherweight even though he blows up to 160 plus between fights. pac will not be outboxed for 12 rounds for sure in a few rounds but no way for 12 whole round. his way too quick and has his own skills to beat anyone out there.

Guzman is an ok fighter but his not good enough to outbox pac for 12 rounds. Plus guzman doesn't have a granite chin now does he?

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

i can't believe after all these years, people still think pac is going to get outboxed for 12 rounds. and to suggest guzman is the guy to do it, a guy who throws wide and trades with no POWER!? ha i laughed, the treats are the ones can end a fight at anytime. guzman had little power at superfeatherweight even though he blows up to 160 plus between fights. pac will not be outboxed for 12 rounds for sure in a few rounds but no way for 12 whole round. his way too quick and has his own skills to beat anyone out there.

Guzman is an ok fighter but his not good enough to outbox pac for 12 rounds. Plus guzman doesn't have a granite chin now does he?

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Do you have to win all 12 rounds nowadays? Well in Pac fans mind that's probably the only way he loses but whatever.

Pac has already been outboxed and beaten before by Morales and Marquez. Guzman would do it differently if he did it obvious but to say he's not a threat to Pacquiao is stupid, there are no two ways about it. Especially considering you guys think David Diaz presents some risk. What a joke PSL. He trades but he still doesn't get hit hardly at all and rarely gets hit clean.

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Originally Posted by amat

OK I'm in some bizarro world I think right now. I'm a big Casamayor fan but he's an absolute shell of what he used to be. Am I the only one who remembers him dropping nearly every round to Santa Cruz? Santa Cruz? He was losing on the scorecards to the very unskilled Michael Katsidis. He's a shell who is one or two fights away from being retired or irrelevant in the lightweight division.

Guzman however is in his prime and is one of the most talented fighters on the planet. That's how he's the much bigger threat to Pac.

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casa should of well damn lose that fight with santa cruz but remember he was coming off a long lay off, im not making any excuses but thats true. in the katsidis fight he showed his power is still there and he still can be slick.

My point is, this guzman talk is unproven cause he hasnt impress me. Whos his biggest win and in what fasion? He has skills but imo is overhype. Plus his already mid 30's not only is he overhype imo, he can turn 50 over night any time now without power to save his ass. Unlike casa old as well but experienced with top fighter and he has power to end a fight still. and thats why i think his the bigger threat to pac and maybe the best lw right now til jmm and pac test the waters in the division.