Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Name one fight Floyd beat that was top 5 P4P then a year later still be top 5 P4P.
Not a worldclass Corrales not elite, Oscar old not active and Hatton was out of his depth at 147lbs.
Only one i can think of that even comes close is Castillo.
Stop using the whole "Hatton is out of his depth at 147" stuff.
Because the fight wouldn't have been any different at 140. And people were still picking Hatton because they felt that Mayweather can be beaten by pressuring him.
And NO ONE would have guessed that Mayweather would knock him out.
No more "Hatton was at 147" excuse unless you think Hatton would have won at 140 as well.
At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competitive.
Joe Cortez isn't the reason why Mayweather knocked Hatton out.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Woah woah. it's getting ugly here.
I'm just saying Pacquiao's fights are not interesting. Diaz, Solis, Morales III were all very predictable who was going to win.
Solis, because who the hell his Solis. heh
Diaz, because Morales already beat him.
Morales III, because we all knew Morales would get knocked out again.
Marquez is a good fight... but we all knew Pac would win. Well I didn't feel any danger coming into the fight, especially since Marquez has slowed a bit.
But nonetheless, JMM is a good fight. But other than that...
Solis, Diaz, Morales were all bad fights.
IMO Pac better make things exciting and shake up this division.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
I'm not sure Pac has a better resume that Floyd at this point, but I'll admit, as a Floyd fan, if Floyd hadn't 'officially' retired I think Pac would have surpassed him in every publication as p4p #1. It's one thing to move up in weight and win titles. It's entirely another thing to move up from f@ckin' flyweight and become a lightweight champion. Not only that, the guy has knocked out just about every title holder he's faced. Pac man is THE man as far as I'm concerned. If Floyd does come back, he'll do so as #2 in my book.
Should Pacquaio fight and beat Nate Campbell he would have beaten anything Mayweather has done.
He would be a 4 weight legit world champion not just a title holder.
Manny should try and clean out 135lbs or fight Hatton he will then prove he is willing to fight the best not just move through the weights looking to win paper titles and then claim he was champion at the weight.
All depends on what Pacquaio does next.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Stop using the whole "Hatton is out of his depth at 147" stuff.
Because the fight wouldn't have been any different at 140. And people were still picking Hatton because they felt that Mayweather can be beaten by pressuring him.
And NO ONE would have guessed that Mayweather would knock him out.
No more "Hatton was at 147" excuse unless you think Hatton would have won at 140 as well.
At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competitive.
Joe Cortez isn't the reason why Mayweather knocked Hatton out.
"At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competative"
Read what im saying.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
I'm not sure Pac has a better resume that Floyd at this point, but I'll admit, as a Floyd fan, if Floyd hadn't 'officially' retired I think Pac would have surpassed him in every publication as p4p #1. It's one thing to move up in weight and win titles. It's entirely another thing to move up from f@ckin' flyweight and become a lightweight champion. Not only that, the guy has knocked out just about every title holder he's faced. Pac man is THE man as far as I'm concerned. If Floyd does come back, he'll do so as #2 in my book.
From flyweight to lightweight champion, wasn't Pacquiao starting fighting at 17 or 16 or something like that?
What about from super bantamweight to junior middleweight champion like Mayweather did?
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competitive.
Joe Cortez isn't the reason why Mayweather knocked Hatton out.
"At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competative"
Read what im saying.
I see what you are saying. But would the result have been any different?
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Joe Cortez isn't the reason why Mayweather knocked Hatton out.
"At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competative"
Read what im saying.
I see what you are saying. But would the result have been any different?
Probably not but the fight would have been competative.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
"At 140lbs without Joe Cortez the fight would be competative"
Read what im saying.
I see what you are saying. But would the result have been any different?
Probably not but the fight would have been competative.
Thats what Im saying though. If the result was gonna be the same then whats the point of using any excuse?
You get what I mean though?
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
=gyrokai;548164]Since 2006 he's been taking fights too much in his favor. Juan Manuel Marquez was his only real test and even that guy's past his prime.
And a guy that is supposed to be past his prime beat him twice in the eyes of many boxing experts and fans:rolleyes:.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
I'm not sure Pac has a better resume that Floyd at this point, but I'll admit, as a Floyd fan, if Floyd hadn't 'officially' retired I think Pac would have surpassed him in every publication as p4p #1. It's one thing to move up in weight and win titles. It's entirely another thing to move up from f@ckin' flyweight and become a lightweight champion. Not only that, the guy has knocked out just about every title holder he's faced. Pac man is THE man as far as I'm concerned. If Floyd does come back, he'll do so as #2 in my book.
From flyweight to lightweight champion, wasn't Pacquiao starting fighting at 17 or 16 or something like that?
What about from super bantamweight to junior middleweight champion like Mayweather did?
What someone did as an amateur mean absolutely nothing as far as his pro legacy. If that were the case, we'd be including what all these guy's did when they started boxing at the age of 7 or 8 as most of them did. Floyd began his pro career as a jr. lightweight. Pac began his pro career at a weight that was less than most bulemic supermodels. I'm not crapping on Floyd b/c IMO he's the greatest fighter I've seen in my era, but Pac rose up from the middle earth hobbit weight classes and has cemented himself as a legitamate lightweight champion. That's pretty impressive IMO.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
I see what you are saying. But would the result have been any different?
Probably not but the fight would have been competative.
Thats what Im saying though. If the result was gonna be the same then whats the point of using any excuse?
You get what I mean though?
Yes but Mayweather would not have looked half as good had the referee not been on Hattons case, let Mayweather foul all fight and if it was fought at Hattons natural weight.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Probably not but the fight would have been competative.
Thats what Im saying though. If the result was gonna be the same then whats the point of using any excuse?
You get what I mean though?
Yes but Mayweather would not have looked half as good had the referee not been on Hattons case, let Mayweather foul all fight and if it was fought at Hattons natural weight.
it's Mayweather's natural weight to fight at too 140. He is quicker slicker and hits harder and is faster
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
I'm not sure Pac has a better resume that Floyd at this point, but I'll admit, as a Floyd fan, if Floyd hadn't 'officially' retired I think Pac would have surpassed him in every publication as p4p #1. It's one thing to move up in weight and win titles. It's entirely another thing to move up from f@ckin' flyweight and become a lightweight champion. Not only that, the guy has knocked out just about every title holder he's faced. Pac man is THE man as far as I'm concerned. If Floyd does come back, he'll do so as #2 in my book.
From flyweight to lightweight champion, wasn't Pacquiao starting fighting at 17 or 16 or something like that?
What about from super bantamweight to junior middleweight champion like Mayweather did?
What someone did as an amateur mean absolutely nothing as far as his pro legacy. If that were the case, we'd be including what all these guy's did when they started boxing at the age of 7 or 8 as most of them did. Floyd began his pro career as a jr. lightweight. Pac began his pro career at a weight that was less than most bulemic supermodels. I'm not crapping on Floyd b/c IMO he's the greatest fighter I've seen in my era, but Pac rose up from the middle earth hobbit weight classes and has cemented himself as a legitamate lightweight champion. That's pretty impressive IMO.
No pacquiao's been fighting that young since his pro debut. He was 17 or something when he was fighting as a pro if I remember right.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
Quote:
Originally Posted by
match
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Majesty
From flyweight to lightweight champion, wasn't Pacquiao starting fighting at 17 or 16 or something like that?
What about from super bantamweight to junior middleweight champion like Mayweather did?
What someone did as an amateur mean absolutely nothing as far as his pro legacy. If that were the case, we'd be including what all these guy's did when they started boxing at the age of 7 or 8 as most of them did. Floyd began his pro career as a jr. lightweight. Pac began his pro career at a weight that was less than most bulemic supermodels. I'm not crapping on Floyd b/c IMO he's the greatest fighter I've seen in my era, but Pac rose up from the middle earth hobbit weight classes and has cemented himself as a legitamate lightweight champion. That's pretty impressive IMO.
No pacquiao's been fighting that young since his pro debut. He was 17 or something when he was fighting as a pro if I remember right.
I hear what you're saying but he was a pro then. Floyd turned pro as a jr. lightweight. All in all, they both moved up roughly 30 lbs or so, it just opens my eyes when a guy does that whose original weight was damn near only double didgets.
Re: Pacquiao needs to step it up
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Chino
Quote:
=gyrokai;548164]Since 2006 he's been taking fights too much in his favor. Juan Manuel Marquez was his only real test and even that guy's past his prime.
And a guy that is supposed to be past his prime beat him twice in the eyes of many boxing experts and fans:rolleyes:.
I don't think those "boxing experts" judged the fight in 3-D view like the 3 ring officials scored it. ;)
Get my drift?
