Re: Your Gonna See A New Star Emerge Tonight
Loll.. heree we go :p
pretty good fight from both guys.. i had top rank announcers and i didnt think they were paying as much attention to the ammounts of time zab put in to boxing and were missing some of his good counter shots and slips and were generally too busy talking about clottey..
Is clottey with top rank or something bcause they payed alot of attention to him and i had it far closer.. i had it 4 a peice after 8 although i knew going to the score cards at that point would be in favour of clottey.. because i obviously watched zabs work close and those guys would have seen clotteys come forward style and probably given clottey a couple more then i would have liked..
horrible cut frankly.. shame it couldnt go to the full 12..
Re: Your Gonna See A New Star Emerge Tonight
He will get his shot and chances.... I dont see the dissapointment in his performance.... I can tell you compubox was FOS.. judah didnt land half the punches he was credited for he was hitting elbows and forearms mostly... That sequence in the corner were Judah let it rip landed 0 punches to Clotteys head... Clottey is not Lazy he is a great defensive fighter and counterpuncher, he dosent go on the agressive unless his guy is wore down.. nothing wrong with that
Re: Your Gonna See A New Star Emerge Tonight
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He will get his shot and chances.... I dont see the dissapointment in his performance.... I can tell you compubox was FOS.. judah didnt land half the punches he was credited for he was hitting elbows and forearms mostly... That sequence in the corner were Judah let it rip landed 0 punches to Clotteys head... Clottey is not Lazy he is a great defensive fighter and counterpuncher, he dosent go on the agressive unless his guy is wore down.. nothing wrong with that
I didn't say i was disappointed with his performance he got the win and looked on his way to a late TKO.........
But it certainly wasn't his best performance he didn't seem to have the same fire compared to when he fought Antonio Margarito, Diego Corrales........
Joshua Clottey does have a good defense and i agree he blocked more punches than Compubox gave him credit for but Zab Judah still landed some very hard digging shots to the body and the occasional straight left to the head.....
I just don't think Joshua Clottey is up there with Paul Williams, Andre Berto, Miguel Cotto etc i think he just falls short.......
I think he can give most of the top Welterweights a good argument but i can't see him beating majority of them but his chin/defense/counter punching/ won't be easy to deal with......
Overall he got the win and thats all that counts but based off that performance i can't see him beating the top Welterweights.
Re: Your Gonna See A New Star Emerge Tonight
I just think thats shortsighted, wehn you look and see he is the most fundamentally sound out of all the Welters... Good straight punches, handspeed, power, chin great defense and footwork to go along with an imposing size, not to mention will and determination... The guy wont make any hig light reels but when you say he lacks fire I think thats relative to the opponent you are facing... Judah is dangerous with his spped, power and angles, Joshuw is methodical in his stalking and picking shots, his style is much like Winky minus the jab... He blocks blocks and then counterpunches.. These guys take a little longer to hit the big time because its not the most electrifying to watch, but it is the most consistent and proven method+
Nice debate as always ICB, hope all is well with you ;D
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I just think thats shortsighted, wehn you look and see he is the most fundamentally sound out of all the Welters... Good straight punches, handspeed, power, chin great defense and footwork to go along with an imposing size, not to mention will and determination... The guy wont make any hig light reels but when you say he lacks fire I think thats relative to the opponent you are facing... Judah is dangerous with his spped, power and angles, Joshuw is methodical in his stalking and picking shots, his style is much like Winky minus the jab... He blocks blocks and then counterpunches.. These guys take a little longer to hit the big time because its not the most electrifying to watch, but it is the most consistent and proven method+
Nice debate as always ICB, hope all is well with you ;D
I agree with what your saying but i still can't see him beating the top Welterweights this is how i see it.....
Joshua Clottey vs Antonio Margarito = Antonio Margarito UD
Joshua Clottey vs Paul Williams = Paul Williams UD
Joshua Clottey vs Shane Mosley = Shane Mosley by UD
Joshua Clottey vs Floyd Mayweather = Floyd Mayweather by UD
Joshua Clottey vs Miguel Cotto = Miguel Cotto by UD
Joshua Clottey vs Andre Berto = Andre Berto by UD
The only other top Welterweights i can see him beating are Luis Collazo, Kermit Cintron......
Joshua Clottey is good but he isn't good enough to beat those 6 top Welterweights i listed above in my opinion.
Re: Your Gonna See A New Star Emerge Tonight
I obviously don't like him but I'm trying not to let that cloud my thinking of him as a fighter. He's good, very solid, durable, skilled. Just don't that he has that extra something to be a real elite fighter. Lacks ambition or fire or something, he just cruises too much. He'll never (unless he fights on too long) be really embarrassed in the ring by anybody because he's very solid but I don't see him as an elite guy.
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I been saying for a while that Joshua Clottey is heavily avoided like Margarito has been because as rough, durable and metodical he is... Clottey is no Joke the guy usually hydrates up to 160 by fight time to go with a great High guard and good combos.... Your gonna see Judah get grinded down and broken up like Cotto did to him... I rate this kid up there with the Margarito, Cotto's of the World, he has a great opportunity tonight against Judah and will show on the big stage what he can do..
I believe both Margarito and Clottey were injured in there fight. I would love to see them go at it again since Clottey is big and dosent get outmuscled and stands his ground as well as being good defensively would give Margarito big time trouble again...
Tonight is Clottey's time again and like Margarito has had to crawl back into the picture again and after he beats Judah I love to see him fight Cotto next the beginning of the year, as I believe Clottey can beat him
Watched the fight tonight. He is no star, not now not ever.
