Re: Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?
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I believe he'll carry some pop up... People seem to forget that these are both guys that fought the majority of their careers at MW... It's not like you have a MW coming up to fight a natural LHW... Pavlik is a big MW and will translate well to 175.
Thats the excuse they will make when Pavlik loses. ;D
There's no way he can lose this fight... His output is to high. It won't be pretty but Pav will press the action and just plain outwork Nard...
It's just the way it is.. For the final 4.5 rounds of the Joe C fight Nard threw virtually nothing... He was used up. Joe does not hit anywhere close to as hard as even a MW in Pavlik. Pav starts touching that body early and he'll run out of steam even sooner.
I love Bernard but the people that think Nard is a favorite for this are just plain kidding themselves.
I'm not confident in Hopkins winning but to say Pavlik no way loses the fight is pretty silly TBH.
Pavlik is hits harder than Calzaghe yes but he doesn't have Calzaghe's fast footwork or fast hands plus is predictable and include the fact that he has poorish defense. Hopkins made Calzaghe miss very often and Calzaghe has very accurate fast hands.
Hopkins faded late due to Calzaghe closing the gap between him and Hopkins by throwing loads of fast flurries and pervented Hopkins from throwing once punch at a time then clinching because i noticed as Hopkins would go into the clinch Calzaghe would flurry stopping Hopkins from holding and that tired Hopkins down the stretch.
Pavlik will not be able to close the gap between him and Hopkins as quick as Joe did, Even though Pavlik is a big guy you will be surprised to see that Hopkins will bully him on the inside and will frustrate him all that while landing accurate counters and pot shots. In the end you may be right, i can see hopkins losing the fight because he just didn't throw enough but you should never count hops out.
Re: Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?
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Thats the excuse they will make when Pavlik loses. ;D
There's no way he can lose this fight... His output is to high. It won't be pretty but Pav will press the action and just plain outwork Nard...
It's just the way it is.. For the final 4.5 rounds of the Joe C fight Nard threw virtually nothing... He was used up. Joe does not hit anywhere close to as hard as even a MW in Pavlik. Pav starts touching that body early and he'll run out of steam even sooner.
I love Bernard but the people that think Nard is a favorite for this are just plain kidding themselves.
I'm not confident in Hopkins winning but to say Pavlik no way loses the fight is pretty silly TBH.
Pavlik is hits harder than Calzaghe yes but he doesn't have Calzaghe's fast footwork or fast hands plus is predictable and include the fact that he has poorish defense. Hopkins made Calzaghe miss very often and Calzaghe has very accurate fast hands.
Hopkins faded late due to Calzaghe closing the gap between him and Hopkins by throwing loads of fast flurries and pervented Hopkins from throwing once punch at a time then clinching because i noticed as Hopkins would go into the clinch Calzaghe would flurry stopping Hopkins from holding and that tired Hopkins down the stretch.
Pavlik will not be able to close the gap between him and Hopkins as quick as Joe did, Even though Pavlik is a big guy you will be surprised to see that Hopkins will bully him on the inside and will frustrate him all that while landing accurate counters and pot shots. In the end you may be right, i can see hopkins losing the fight because he just didn't throw enough but you should never count hops out.
Hmmm...
Well you make good points. Especially when you mention how quickly Joe closed the gap due to handspeed and how Kelly will be unable to do so as quickly.
I will say that I think Kelly's bodywork will be the key to this fight.
Well said, sir.
Have some rep;)
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There's no way he can lose this fight... His output is to high. It won't be pretty but Pav will press the action and just plain outwork Nard...
It's just the way it is.. For the final 4.5 rounds of the Joe C fight Nard threw virtually nothing... He was used up. Joe does not hit anywhere close to as hard as even a MW in Pavlik. Pav starts touching that body early and he'll run out of steam even sooner.
I love Bernard but the people that think Nard is a favorite for this are just plain kidding themselves.
I'm not confident in Hopkins winning but to say Pavlik no way loses the fight is pretty silly TBH.
Pavlik is hits harder than Calzaghe yes but he doesn't have Calzaghe's fast footwork or fast hands plus is predictable and include the fact that he has poorish defense. Hopkins made Calzaghe miss very often and Calzaghe has very accurate fast hands.
Hopkins faded late due to Calzaghe closing the gap between him and Hopkins by throwing loads of fast flurries and pervented Hopkins from throwing once punch at a time then clinching because i noticed as Hopkins would go into the clinch Calzaghe would flurry stopping Hopkins from holding and that tired Hopkins down the stretch.
Pavlik will not be able to close the gap between him and Hopkins as quick as Joe did, Even though Pavlik is a big guy you will be surprised to see that Hopkins will bully him on the inside and will frustrate him all that while landing accurate counters and pot shots. In the end you may be right, i can see hopkins losing the fight because he just didn't throw enough but you should never count hops out.
Hmmm...
Well you make good points. Especially when you mention how quickly Joe closed the gap due to handspeed and how Kelly will be unable to do so as quickly.
I will say that I think Kelly's bodywork will be the key to this fight.
Well said, sir.
Have some rep;)
If Kelly is able to land bodyshots Hopkins will fade no doubt.
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I'm not confident in Hopkins winning but to say Pavlik no way loses the fight is pretty silly TBH.
Pavlik is hits harder than Calzaghe yes but he doesn't have Calzaghe's fast footwork or fast hands plus is predictable and include the fact that he has poorish defense. Hopkins made Calzaghe miss very often and Calzaghe has very accurate fast hands.
Hopkins faded late due to Calzaghe closing the gap between him and Hopkins by throwing loads of fast flurries and pervented Hopkins from throwing once punch at a time then clinching because i noticed as Hopkins would go into the clinch Calzaghe would flurry stopping Hopkins from holding and that tired Hopkins down the stretch.
Pavlik will not be able to close the gap between him and Hopkins as quick as Joe did, Even though Pavlik is a big guy you will be surprised to see that Hopkins will bully him on the inside and will frustrate him all that while landing accurate counters and pot shots. In the end you may be right, i can see hopkins losing the fight because he just didn't throw enough but you should never count hops out.
Hmmm...
Well you make good points. Especially when you mention how quickly Joe closed the gap due to handspeed and how Kelly will be unable to do so as quickly.
I will say that I think Kelly's bodywork will be the key to this fight.
Well said, sir.
Have some rep;)
If Kelly is able to land bodyshots Hopkins will fade no doubt.
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If Kelly lands bodyshots I think it may open up opportunity for a KO head shot.
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Hmmm...
Well you make good points. Especially when you mention how quickly Joe closed the gap due to handspeed and how Kelly will be unable to do so as quickly.
I will say that I think Kelly's bodywork will be the key to this fight.
Well said, sir.
Have some rep;)
If Kelly is able to land bodyshots Hopkins will fade no doubt.
Rep Back;)
If Kelly lands bodyshots I think it may open up opportunity for a KO head shot.
My friend who def knows boxing predicts a KO that ends Hopkins. I disagree strongly. Hop is way to cagey for that.. I don't see a KO at all.
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If Kelly is able to land bodyshots Hopkins will fade no doubt.
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If Kelly lands bodyshots I think it may open up opportunity for a KO head shot.
My friend who def knows boxing predicts a KO that ends Hopkins. I disagree strongly. Hop is way to cagey for that.. I don't see a KO at all.
His age has to catch up with him sooner or later and I don't just mean losing close decisions to world class opposition, I mean getting hurt badly. I don't want to see it as I do like Bernard but I see it coming soon.
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If Kelly lands bodyshots I think it may open up opportunity for a KO head shot.
My friend who def knows boxing predicts a KO that ends Hopkins. I disagree strongly. Hop is way to cagey for that.. I don't see a KO at all.
His age has to catch up with him sooner or later and I don't just mean losing close decisions to world class opposition, I mean getting hurt badly. I don't want to see it as I do like Bernard but I see it coming soon.
Mmmmm... I hope not. You and my friend have that in common. Can't say you're wrong just cuz I don't see it happening.
Re: Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?
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If Kelly is able to land bodyshots Hopkins will fade no doubt.
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If Kelly lands bodyshots I think it may open up opportunity for a KO head shot.
My friend who def knows boxing predicts a KO that ends Hopkins. I disagree strongly. Hop is way to cagey for that.. I don't see a KO at all.
Totally agree Hopkins is real hard to hit clean and Hopkins has made much faster fighters miss often, he won't have much trouble getting Pavlik to miss even if he is 43.
Re: Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?
yes it is hard to hit hopkins cleanly in the head. but dont forget he wont be moving around he will be right in front of kelly which is a bad idea so even if kelly dont hit him in the head in the early rounds eventually kelly will go to the body open up the head and begins hopkins retirement;D
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yes it is hard to hit hopkins cleanly in the head. but dont forget he wont be moving around he will be right in front of kelly which is a bad idea so even if kelly dont hit him in the head in the early rounds eventually kelly will go to the body open up the head and begins hopkins retirement;D
If you think Hopkins won't use his superior great footwork you're crazy. ;D
and if Hopkins doesn't use it then he's crazy :)
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Why would hopkins be right in front of kelly?
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Why would hopkins be right in front of kelly?
because Hopkins is a come forward fighter. :rolleyes:
i thought you knew. ;)
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Why would hopkins be right in front of kelly?
because Hopkins is a come forward fighter. :rolleyes:
i thought you knew. ;)
LOL,
I read that up there and was like WTF? He doesn't stand in front of anyone... He's a slick counterpuncher.;D
Pugilistic, well played;D
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being in a hostile crowd is one thing having great fighters on your resume is another
Pavliks notable fights Taylor x2 and Miranda
Kessler notable fights Beyer, Mundine, Andrade and Calzaghe
Not sure what planet you on dude but youre in for a shock when Pavlik fights Hopkins.
Re: Can Kelly Pavlik do damage at 175?
so what your sayin is hopkins is gonna beat pavlik right;D
