Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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ross
This is an interview with Holmes right after Tyson smashed him through the canvas, he says Mike was very hard to hit, was very sharp and he couldnt live with him on the inside, Mike would have done the same to a prime Holmes, it might have taken a couple of rounds more but it would end with Holmes on his back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqMMT...eature=related
Mike was something special, Ok Holmes wasnt in his prime but he was even further removed from that when he pushed Holyfield alll the way and beat Mercer who should have got the decision against Lewis.
No one else would ever have done that to Holmes at any point in his career;D
You don't have a clue what your on about stick to Joe Calzaghe topics, the fact is Larry Holmes had been past his prime since 1983. He didn't look good against Carl Williams or Michael Spinks or David Bey. When he fought Mike Tyson not only was he coming off a 2 year lay off he also only had few weeks to train and was coming off two losses.............
When he fought Evander Holyfield he wasn't coming off a long lay off, and he didn't only have few weeks to train like he did against Mike Tyson thats the difference. Mike Tyson was good but overrated Tony Tucker was winning there fight until he broke his hand in the 4th round, and still lasted 12 rounds, Larry Holmes was special at his best and i doubt you have ever seen Homes against Shavers, Norton, etc because if you had you would know he was a shell of himself against Mike Tyson..........
I find it funny that Mike Tyson fans are happy for there boy to beat past there prime fighters, and give him credit for it. Yet when Mike Tyson loses to Buster Douglas in only his early 20s and loses to Evander Holyfield in his late 20's, when Holyfield was past his prime and also older, they make excuses for Tyson like theres no tomorrow, a majority of Tyson fans are hypocrites and these posts from you Ross prove it.
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Ah dont let it upset you, have a lollipop;D
Mike did what he was supposed to do against an over rated has been, shame Holyfield and Mercer couldnt stop Holmes;D
Why do you lot cry so hard when Mike Tyson is mentioned:confused:
"Holmes was old, Spinks was small, Holyfield didnt juice or headbutt, Lewis didnt have a glass chin or gift decision over Mercer, the eighties heavys were weak, Mike was a bully"
Cliche after cliche, its all been said before, Mikes been retired for 3 years, let it go.
Mike kicked the shit out of Holmes, nothings gonna change that, dont cry.
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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Originally Posted by
ross
Ah dont let it upset you, have a lollipop;D
Mike did what he was supposed to do against an over rated has been, shame Holyfield and Mercer couldnt stop Holmes;D
Why do you lot cry so hard when Mike Tyson is mentioned:confused:
"Holmes was old, Spinks was small, Holyfield didnt juice or headbutt, Lewis didnt have a glass chin or gift decision over Mercer, the eighties heavys were weak, Mike was a bully"
Cliche after cliche, its all been said before, Mikes been retired for 3 years, let it go.
Mike kicked the shit out of Holmes, nothings gonna change that, dont cry.
It don't upset me but it obviously upsets you, because when anyone ever brings up Mike Tyson losing your only comeback is "stop getting upset" when infact your the one getting upset i couldn't careless. I just wanted to point out a few facts which you forgot the mention or didn't mention to make Tyson's win sound better..........
Your acting like a stupid kid because someone doesn't think Tyson is the greatest thing since Jesus himself, you have to try and wind people up on purpose but you just make yourself look stupid and childish. The late 80's Heavyweight's were weak and thats a fact probably the 2nd or 3rd weakest era for the Heavyweights of all time.........
Guys like Tony Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, guys who did have talent were shot fighters when Tyson fought them because they either took drugs or couldn't lay off the food, i never said Tyson wasn't good in his prime but not as good as Tyson fans claim, and if you give Tyson credit for beating Holmes. Then you must give credit for Holyfield or Douglas for beating Tyson, you can't have it one way and not the other.
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Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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RozzySean
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Trainer Monkey
Marciano and Louis would most likely be cruisers in Tysons era,Ali would have embarrassed him,Foreman and Holmes would have kept him away until they got the big shot,Frazier would have been interesting,because it would be mirror images going against each other
As much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
What makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chin
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
RozzySean
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Marciano and Louis would most likely be cruisers in Tysons era,Ali would have embarrassed him,Foreman and Holmes would have kept him away until they got the big shot,Frazier would have been interesting,because it would be mirror images going against each other
As much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
What makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chin
Im not sure Joe Frazier had a better chin he was knocked down few times against Bonavena and knocked down multiple times against Foreman, Tyson although he was weak mentality and had questionable heart did have a good chin.
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
RozzySean
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Marciano and Louis would most likely be cruisers in Tysons era,Ali would have embarrassed him,Foreman and Holmes would have kept him away until they got the big shot,Frazier would have been interesting,because it would be mirror images going against each other
As much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
What makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chin
Frazier was not just smarter, he was mentally tougher. He had twice the heart of Tyson...hmmmm.....maybe this fight is a pickem, too. Definately an interesting matchup the more that I think about it.
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Thats why when I looked at it,I couldnt make a decisive pick.If Frazier could take Tysons power early,he'd out think him down the stretch.Its the most interesting of the match ups,Brains vs Brawn
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Frazier wouldnt outsmart anyone, he was just very consistent, just rumbling forward the whole time, Mike had the same power late on in fights and was hard to hit as Larry said, he also took a good shot if he did get hit.
Frazier on the other hand was relatively easy to hit and did get hurt a few times, Mike would stop him in the first 4 rounds.
If you cant get out of the way of Foremans wide swinging punches your not gonna last long with Mike;)
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ross
Frazier wouldnt outsmart anyone, he was just very consistent, just rumbling forward the whole time, Mike had the same power late on in fights and was hard to hit as Larry said, he also took a good shot if he did get hit.
Frazier on the other hand was relatively easy to hit and did get hurt a few times, Mike would stop him in the first 4 rounds.
If you cant get out of the way of Foremans wide swinging punches your not gonna last long with Mike;)
You are just a little fan boy aint ya,Frazier was WAYYYYYYYYYY smarter then Tyson in the ring
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Tyson was just mentally weak thats his downfall he like France things get tough he throws his hands up in defeat. Just watch the Holyfeild fight he broke Tyson down because Tyson found out he could not bully Holyfeild and then he went in to a shell so to speak i guess you could say.
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Ok
Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches:rolleyes: but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could;D
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
p4p all the HW legends beat Tyson.He would have a punchers chance in the early rounds against some of them but that is about it.
Tyson was never able to prove himself in the face of advercity.
When the going got tough Tyson lost. FACT
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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Originally Posted by
ross
Ok
Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches:rolleyes: but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could;D
Watch his whole career,Frazier was spent after the first Ali fight
Re: tyson against the heavyweight legends
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Originally Posted by
ross
Ok
Frazier was so smart he couldnt get outta the way of Foremans wide slow punches:rolleyes: but Ali who sat on the ropes and let Foreman hit him could;D
Foreman threw punches from underneath which was bad style match up for Joe Frazier's Bob an Weave style, Frazier was normally good at avoiding punches in his prime thats why he was able to get underneath quite alot Ali's punches who is very quick, and even Ali stated it was hard to hit Frazier at times. But Ali rarely threw uppercuts or punches from underneath thats why he was nowhere as effective as Foreman. And thats exactly why Mike Tyson would lose to Foreman and thats why he avoided him ;)
