Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
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Trainer Monkey
Your not getting either
A) The judges get ranked as well,and they dont get to judge fights if theyre ranking isnt good
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B) We're having the same round and round as we allways do about Nationality,there is no Nationality in the states,none whatsoever. About the only thing I have in common with someone from Kansas is that we are both carbon based lifeforms
No common food,no common dress,not even common race,absolutely nothing whatsoever.
You live in a country that has generally the same basic ethnicity(dont even try,I know more about British history then you do I guarantee it)I live in a country where nobody has anything in common with anyone,ever.
I am no closer to a Floridian then I am to the moon(Which I learned the hard way when I had to live there for a year) region by region everything is different,its like going to a foriegn continent,and none of them like each other
Blimey! I think your world view is a bit naive and a tad warped. :-\
And I haven't got a clue what any of that has do with ONLY in America we can find THREE American Judges deciding the outcome of a fight that involves a non-American.
Im sure if I had the time energy,and desire,I could find a Mexican on Peurto Rican fight that had nothing but Mexican judges
And as far as Naive,or maybe geographically challenged,do you know how many time you could drive up and down the Isles before you did the trip from LA to Philly?
Youve floated these test balloons before Fenster,so Im considering the source,and the source has no clue whatsoever how the states operate.
I could not find a Mexican, Argentine, Puerto Rican WORLD title fight with all domestic judges. Maybe you want to look deeper, but they pull in guys from all over.
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Kirkland Laing
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Fenster
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The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.
I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.
Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.
That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?
The BBBC wouldn't let them. I don't think they even let the WBU/F do that. If it's a world title fight in Britain, even a WBU fight, the BBBC want to at least look like they're fair and impartial. In the States, especially Vegas, the powers-that-be want judges who are reliable in that they'll vote for the aggressive fighter in a fight to encourage more exciting fights. IMHO anyway.
That probably makes a bit more sense.
Look.. "World" title fights between Brits -
Naz-Hardy - judge: Roy Francis | judge: Mickey Vann | judge: Dave Parris ~
Eubank-Calzaghe - judge: Paul Thomas 116-111 | judge: Roy Francis 118-110 | judge: Dave Parris 118-109
The alphabets have no problem appointing all Brit judges to all Brit title fights.
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
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Trainer Monkey
And Ive explained it too you 5 times now,and so did Kirkland,its cheaper,theres a deeper pool to choose from
It's CHEAPER to send an American to Britain?
Lets try it using math,if there are 100 acredited judges from the states,and 50 others world wide,what are the odds that sooner or later a fight would end up with three American Judges?
Hell count your blessings until the late 60's European judges almost never got used in the states,youve come along way baby
Ok.. i suppose if there's NO judges anywhere in the whole wide world available on the night an American faces a non-American three American judges would make sense.
So we have eliminated COST as an excuse, yes, and it's now about availability?
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Fenster
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
It's CHEAPER to send an American to Britain?
Lets try it using math,if there are 100 acredited judges from the states,and 50 others world wide,what are the odds that sooner or later a fight would end up with three American Judges?
Hell count your blessings until the late 60's European judges almost never got used in the states,youve come along way baby
Ok.. i suppose if there's NO judges anywhere in the whole wide world available on the night an American faces a non-American three American judges would make sense.
So we have eliminated COST as an excuse, yes, and it's now about availability?
No its about ODDS,It would happen sooner or later,when there are twice as many US judges,it was going to happen eventually
What are the odds that it wouldnt,youd need serious Algebra to figure that out
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You know Fenster this is the equivalent of me sending a fighter to Cali,and complaining that all three of the judges were from the West Coast and there werent any West Virginia judges
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OK, Trainermonkey - you've done my head in enough for now ;)
By the way.. in the street I live on there's Pakistanis, Turkish Cypriots, West Indians, Chinese etc, etc... all walks of life ;)
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Fenster
OK, Trainermonkey - you've done my head in enough for now ;)
By the way.. in the street I live on there's Pakistanis, Turkish Cypriots, West Indians, Chinese etc, etc... all walks of life ;)
Very different then here in the states then,even in one city,they dont live together,or like each other.
And I know when I send a fighter to California,the odds of me getting a non West Coast judge is slim and nill,and slims on the first train out of town
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Trainer Monkey
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OK, Trainermonkey - you've done my head in enough for now ;)
By the way.. in the street I live on there's Pakistanis, Turkish Cypriots, West Indians, Chinese etc, etc... all walks of life ;)
Very different then here in the states then,even in one city,they dont live together,or like each other.
And I know when I send a fighter to California,the odds of me getting a non West Coast judge is slim and nill,and slims on the first train out of town
Fenster was talking only about World title fights though. And again the fight that he brought up, all three judges were from Vegas. And this was for the Lineal Welterweight championship. And coincidently PBF also lives in Vegas.
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killersheep
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
OK, Trainermonkey - you've done my head in enough for now ;)
By the way.. in the street I live on there's Pakistanis, Turkish Cypriots, West Indians, Chinese etc, etc... all walks of life ;)
Very different then here in the states then,even in one city,they dont live together,or like each other.
And I know when I send a fighter to California,the odds of me getting a non West Coast judge is slim and nill,and slims on the first train out of town
Fenster was talking only about World title fights though. And again the fight that he brought up, all three judges were from Vegas. And this was for the Lineal Welterweight championship. And coincidently PBF also lives in Vegas.
I can say I live in West Virginia,but Im originally from Philly
And youd be real suprised how many fights that LEAD to that linear title are set up exactly the way I said.
Sent a fighter to Sacramento,major stadium fight,did I bitch and whine that all three judges were west coast,and West Virginia wasnt represented at the Judges table?
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I think with the big high profile fights ,they make it a point to have a international trio.Ive seen quite a few under the radar ,lesser known title fights in one country or another with 3 of the same nationalities,I'm wanting to check fights in Argentina ;D.As for 3 foriegn Judges apointed in the U.S for 2 Americans....good question??I know that some huge points of contention among camps are in the nationality factors and wanting home turf representation?
For the year of 2000 ,Ive seen a breakdown of World title fights (wba,wbo,ibf,wba) and there host country for that year.....Tied for 2nd place was Germany and England with 18 a piece.......in the number 1 spot was The U.S with a total of 68 ! Did not realize that,Might answer some of the question.Those blasted Americans are just everywhere :fight:;D
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think with the big high profile fights ,they make it a point to have a international trio.Ive seen quite a few under the radar ,lesser known title fights in one country or another with 3 of the same nationalities,I'm wanting to check fights in Argentina ;D.As for 3 foriegn Judges apointed in the U.S for 2 Americans....good question??I know that some huge points of contention among camps are in the nationality factors and wanting home turf representation?
For the year of 2000 ,Ive seen a breakdown of World title fights (wba,wbo,ibf,wba) and there host country for that year.....Tied for 2nd place was Germany and England with 18 a piece.......in the number 1 spot was The U.S with a total of 68 ! Did not realize that,Might answer some of the question.Those blasted Americans are just everywhere :fight:;D
Those damn Americans keep multiplying ;D
Re: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think with the big high profile fights ,they make it a point to have a international trio.Ive seen quite a few under the radar ,lesser known title fights in one country or another with 3 of the same nationalities,I'm wanting to check fights in Argentina ;D.As for 3 foriegn Judges apointed in the U.S for 2 Americans....good question??I know that some huge points of contention among camps are in the nationality factors and wanting home turf representation?
For the year of 2000 ,Ive seen a breakdown of World title fights (wba,wbo,ibf,wba) and there host country for that year.....Tied for 2nd place was Germany and England with 18 a piece.......in the number 1 spot was The U.S with a total of 68 ! Did not realize that,Might answer some of the question.Those blasted Americans are just everywhere :fight:;D
Brewster-FL
Laikovich Arizona
They fought in Ohio for the WBO belt
The judges were two from Ohio,and one from Pittsburgh,who exactly,got screwed there?
