Call Me Crazy But I Want To See This

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Originally Posted by Mr140

To be fair Holfield fighting Bowe and Lewis is like Mayweather fighting Halger or Monzon when you look at the size difference and to be clear i dont think that PBF would beat either of them to say the least. He looked human because the guys he was fighting were alot bigger then him most of the time and think he faced alot better competion lets not forget he fought in the one of the best era of Heavyweights but i see your point.

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Floyd Mayweather moved up 5 weight classes and ODLH had a 1 stone advantage, it was like a very small Jr Middleweight, fighting a Middleweight.

RJJ moved up to Heavyweight to fight John Ruiz, And John Ruiz had over 30 pound advantage, RJJ wasn't even 200 pounds it was like a Cruiserweight vs Heavyweight.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

To be fair Holfield fighting Bowe and Lewis is like Mayweather fighting Halger or Monzon when you look at the size difference and to be clear i dont think that PBF would beat either of them to say the least. He looked human because the guys he was fighting were alot bigger then him most of the time and think he faced alot better competion lets not forget he fought in the one of the best era of Heavyweights but i see your point.

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I think it would be more like Mayweather fighting a primed Cotto or Margarito........oh wait ;D.Its really apples & oranges in difference,stylistically,attitude wise and such.Yeah...Mayweather was a better p4p skilled fighter imo but they were nothing alike.Holyfield did not want to be pretty,he wanted knock heads.

Yeah I'd like to see this fight too, I remember it was almost a done deal & Ring mag did a cover about the fight when Toney was still at cruiser.

The build up to the fight would be great as both guys are never short of words!

I wouldn't mind seeing Dawson/ Hopkins... anyone else?

Well Holyfeild started at 175 in his career and he was fighting Bowe who weighed in like at 247 which was 30 pounds heavier then Holyfeild weighed in at and let me see like 72 pounds above his starting weight i say that is just as bad as Mayweather fought Oscar at 154 which was 24 pounds above his starting weight and i think Bowe was better fighter the Ruiz and the size difference with Ruiz and Jones was about the same with Holyfeild and Bowe was i just feel Holyfeild was a better pound for pound fighter.

Not to mention Lewis atg he was fighting past prime and he weighed in at 30 pounds above him and 70 pounds above were he started his career.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well Holyfeild started at 175 in his career and he was fighting Bowe who weighed in like at 247 which was 30 pounds heavier then Holyfeild weighed in at and let me see like 72 pounds above his starting weight i say that is just as bad as Mayweather fought Oscar at 154 which was 24 pounds above his starting weight and i think Bowe was better fighter the Ruiz and the size difference with Ruiz and Jones was about the same with Holyfeild and Bowe was i just feel Holyfeild was a better pound for pound fighter.

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How is Evander Holyfield a better P4P fighter ? all 3 of those fighters RJJ, Mayweather, Hopkins, have done great things at multiple weightclasses.

And Evander Holyfield was no way a natural 177 pounder. He is easily naturally over 210 pounds, in most of his fights at Heavyweight he was 210 pounds or over, he was 217 pounds against Riddick Bowe in there 2nd fight, in arguably Evander Holyfield's best performance.

Which means he is very comfortable at over 210 pounds, where as RJJ couldn't make the Heavyweight limit, nor could Floyd Mayweather make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Took alot to get Evander were he was in weight ice he was natural cruiseweight i would say and could of stayed there if he wanted. Remeber he was at the age when he was in cruiser was in mid 20s and he was weighing in at 190 pretty comfortable. Roy is natural 175 i would say he fought and look good at the weight for a long time. Mayweather is a natural a light welter weight i would say as well. Hopkins is a natrul 175 i would say had no idea how he made weight so long but he did. Point being still pretty much stands Jumping to heavy weight divsion and beating the best is as good as weight divsion hoping in the lower weights. Because there is no limit to the fighters size you while be facing just the way i feel.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Mr140

Well Holyfeild started at 175 in his career and he was fighting Bowe who weighed in like at 247 which was 30 pounds heavier then Holyfeild weighed in at and let me see like 72 pounds above his starting weight i say that is just as bad as Mayweather fought Oscar at 154 which was 24 pounds above his starting weight and i think Bowe was better fighter the Ruiz and the size difference with Ruiz and Jones was about the same with Holyfeild and Bowe was i just feel Holyfeild was a better pound for pound fighter.

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How is Evander Holyfield a better P4P fighter ? all 3 of those fighters RJJ, Mayweather, Hopkins, have done great things at multiple weightclasses.

And Evander Holyfield was no way a natural 177 pounder. He is easily naturally over 210 pounds, in most of his fights at Heavyweight he was 210 pounds or over, he was 217 pounds against Riddick Bowe in there 2nd fight, in arguably Evander Holyfield's best performance.

Which means he is very comfortable at over 210 pounds, where as RJJ couldn't make the Heavyweight limit, nor could Floyd Mayweather make the Jr Middleweight limit.

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You think ?Personally I'd rank The Foreman,Dokes,Tyson 1,Moorer 2,Mercer. as better all around performance's.I know it was beating the man that beat him for the crown,great redemption but Bowe came in like a heffer.Maybe he ruined it for me?

I think his win over Bowe was good win because he was able to beat a man with alot of bigger and regain his title which not many do at heavy.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I think his win over Bowe was good win because he was able to beat a man with alot of bigger and regain his title which not many do at heavy.

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Outstanding win,regaining the championship, trust me.At that time it meant something,linear,now they are all over the place.But size can be over rated & does not equate to giving one's self the best chance for victory.Personnaly,I liked Holy in other performances. Blame Fanman Lol

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Wlad had the chin of Muhamed Ali he'd be the best heavyweight ever

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So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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I was trying to prove a point when someone posts this....

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Originally Posted by ICB

James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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My point was to show how ridiculous ICB's post was....but if you want to talk about how Muhammed Ali could beat up God then go right ahead....let's just sit back and read about the greatness that is Ali traveling the Earth and beating everyone at boxing.....I think all his losses should be wiped off his record because he like KirklandLaing and the Pope is infallible.....so to make a long story short I am fucking tired of hearing about how great Ali was....fuck him. Everytime anyone posts anything with the name Ali in it the Ali fanatics (who are worse than the Calzaghe fans, worse than the Toney fans, simply put they are the worst fans ever) jump on whoever questions Ali or comes close to doubting him.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by ICB

I'll have to call you crazy on this one bro, this would be a ridiculous fight IMO. And i have no idea how Bernard Hopkins would be able to get above 200 pounds, and James Toney well lets be honest the last time he was in shape was when he fought Evander Holyfield.

Speaking of which JT i see you talk about Evander Holyfield vs James Toney, i also believe a prime James Toney would give a prime Evander Holyfield fits aswell, can you imagine them going at it prime for prime at Cruiserweight ? wow.

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Honestly its a pikem Evander has all the heart but James would fight beyond all the limitations, crazy to think these to just missed each other by a few years... Moorer gave him all the trouble 2 x bar when holy Knocked him down, albeit moorer was a south paw james had all the tangibles and intangibles as well as the toughness and ability to swim in the deep waters with Evander... Toney is an enigma to me and one of the greatest, want to see him leave on a high note... Love me some David Haye, but Toney would spoil him all day perfecyt retirement fight to go out on a high note....

There will never be another like James Toney and Bernard Hopkins

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James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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Agreed...Toney could have been one of the sports all time greatest...He is an ATG now but I am talking top 10...

Problem is Toney knew how good he was and for a while just did not really take things seriously...EG- The losses to Thadzi

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Nard said he would go to heavyweight to fight Maskaev,

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That's because Maskaev had a belt. Toney doesn't have one.

Hopkins-Toney would have been an interesting fight at one point in time, but I don't see it happening now.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by p4pking

So...... in your mind the only thing Muhammad Ali had on Wlad Klitshcko is a better chin? Your freaking nuts, that's not even worth responding to. Seriously HAH. The only way Wlad would have a chance in hell against Ali is if their chins were in fact replaced with one anothers, and Wlad would still have to hope to hell to land something in 12 rounds where he would otherwise be getting schooled badly. But whatever you think Lyle.

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I was trying to prove a point when someone posts this....

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Originally Posted by ICB

James Toney = Floyd Mayweather

If James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training, its just scary to think how good he could of been.

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My point was to show how ridiculous ICB's post was....but if you want to talk about how Muhammed Ali could beat up God then go right ahead....let's just sit back and read about the greatness that is Ali traveling the Earth and beating everyone at boxing.....I think all his losses should be wiped off his record because he like KirklandLaing and the Pope is infallible.....so to make a long story short I am fucking tired of hearing about how great Ali was....fuck him. Everytime anyone posts anything with the name Ali in it the Ali fanatics (who are worse than the Calzaghe fans, worse than the Toney fans, simply put they are the worst fans ever) jump on whoever questions Ali or comes close to doubting him.

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How was my post ridiculous ? i said if James Toney had Floyd Mayweather's dedication to training he could of been as good as Floyd Mayweather. what is ridiculous about post ? please tell me.

And how does that compare to if Wladimir Klitschko had Muhammad Ali's chin he would be the best HW ever :rolleyes:

Wladimir Klitschko is too robotic, he has stamina issues which caused him to lost to Ross Purity not his weak chin. Amongst a list full of other flaws.