A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC fight

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10-22-2008, 04:44 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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I bought in to a point, I actually picked Robin Reid to beat him but by the time the Calzaghe fight had come around I decided to go with Lacy. Remember watching the Mitchell fight and thinking Joe was just too wild.

I remember a Lacy-Hopkins thread where you would have thought it would have just been better to shoot Hopkins rather than let him in the ring with Lacy.

All this being said, about half of the people on here picked Gatti. Over Floyd.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the point when this becomes more than a two fighter board again.

I also picked Arturo aver Floyd...
10-22-2008, 04:46 PM
ICB

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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ICB did. ;D

I remember people were badly ridiculed for thinking Calzaghe could win.

I remember this because, even though i believed Calzaghe could win, the show of support for Lacy was so great that it made me think the likely outcome will be a Lacy victory

Your damn right i knew it was obvious in his fights against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, he wasn't nowhere near as good as the hype. He only got overrated because of his win over a shot undertrained Robin Reid, and Robin Reid gave Joe Calzaghe his toughest fight, which made armchair fans think Jeff Lacy would destroy Joe Calzahghe because he destroyed Robin Reid.

Also his Amateur record got him overrated aswell, but funnily enough he didn't do so well in the Olympics. He was stopped in the 3rd round at the Olympics, another reason he got overrated was because of his power. Power punchers do tend to get very overrated.

;D Were all armchair fans. Even people that box get picks wrong. All the time. Teddy Atlas, hmm.

Go look at the prediction contest last week, we either got a lot of armchair fans or a lot of Pavlik lovers.

I wasn't actually on about anyone here i was on about the public, who aren't hardcore fans like us. I can assure you now most of the public/armchair fans who were picking Jeff Lacy, had hardly see any of his fights and had certainly not seen him struggle with Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and i find they often listen to these so caled *experts* rather than going with there own opinion.

Because everyone i knew was saying "That Jeff Lacy is gonna smash Joe Calzaghe" and i asked them how many fights have you seen of Jeff Lacy ? "The Robin Reid one" i then asked have you seen his fights vs Syd Vanderpool or Omar Sheika ? there reply "Who are they" which is the mentality of your armchair fans Ouma.

Thirdly i honestly believe that even hardcore fans, had not seen that many Jeff Lacy fights. Or they were letting the hype or the experts, make them change there mind, and actually forget about his flaws and his previous struggles. And just focusing on the Robin Reid fight.
10-22-2008, 04:50 PM
OumaFan

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

;D A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on.

He was on ESPN 2 coming up, of course people had seen Lacy fight.

Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board. All seen him fight numerous times no matter how hard you find that to believe Ice and still picked him.

At the same time they'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.
10-22-2008, 04:51 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on. Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board.

They'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

He has that tendancy to fight down to people....
10-22-2008, 04:55 PM
p4pking

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on. Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board.

They'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

He has that tendancy to fight down to people....

Rubbish look how well he performed against Lacy;D
10-22-2008, 04:56 PM
ICB

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

;D A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on.

He was on ESPN 2 coming up, of course people had seen Lacy fight.

Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board. All seen him fight numerous times no matter how hard you find that to believe Ice and still picked him.

At the same time they'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

I've seen almost every Joe Calzaghe fight and he has hardly ever struggled, only against awkward fighters like David Starie, Kabary Salem, Sakio Bika, Robin Reid, but thats because he allowed them to because he fights too much on the inside at times. And allows fighters to rough him up on the inside. But look at Joe Calzaghe's best performances against Charles Brewer, Chris Eubank, etc. Its obvious IMO skill wise Joe Calzaghe is way above Jeff Lacy.

These so called experts also do talk alot of crap sometimes, and i have my own opinion. And i think people do allow there opinion to get changed very easily listening to the hype and these so called experts, rather than going with there gut instinct and there own opinion.
10-22-2008, 04:56 PM
PRIDE OF BOSTON

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on. Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board.

They'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

He has that tendancy to fight down to people....

Rubbish look how well he performed against Lacy;D

But he was expecting a much more dificult fight that didn't happen...
10-22-2008, 04:58 PM
Markusdarkus

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

Lacy got the props he deserved he was a stella amature he also looked very good beating good names.

That said i knew Joe would beat him. As soon as Joe won Lacy became over-hyped. Just as Hopkins was old and shot after Joe beat him. Noth turned out to be crap.
10-22-2008, 04:59 PM
Fenster

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I bought in to a point, I actually picked Robin Reid to beat him but by the time the Calzaghe fight had come around I decided to go with Lacy. Remember watching the Mitchell fight and thinking Joe was just too wild.

I remember a Lacy-Hopkins thread where you would have thought it would have just been better to shoot Hopkins rather than let him in the ring with Lacy.

All this being said, about half of the people on here picked Gatti. Over Floyd.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the point when this becomes more than a two fighter board again.

I also picked Arturo aver Floyd...

Just give up mate ;D

Oumafan made a fair point, Calzaghe was coming off breaking his hand against Ashira, the rematch with Veit (which wasn't even shown on TV in Britain) and arguably his worse showing ever against Salem.

No wonder people were picking Lacy.
10-22-2008, 04:59 PM
ICB

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Lacy got the props he deserved he was a stella amature he also looked very good beating good names.

That said i knew Joe would beat him. As soon as Joe won Lacy became over-hyped. Just as Hopkins was old and shot after Joe beat him. Noth turned out to be crap.

What *good names* did Jeff Lacy beat ?
10-22-2008, 05:01 PM
OumaFan

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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;D A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on.

He was on ESPN 2 coming up, of course people had seen Lacy fight.

Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board. All seen him fight numerous times no matter how hard you find that to believe Ice and still picked him.

At the same time they'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

I've seen almost every Joe Calzaghe fight and he has hardly ever struggled, only against awkward fighters like David Starie, Kabary Salem, Sakio Bika, Robin Reid, but thats because he allowed them to because he fights too much on the inside at times. And allows fighters to rough him up on the inside. But look at Joe Calzaghe's best performances against Charles Brewer, Chris Eubank, etc. Its obvious IMO skill wise Joe Calzaghe is way above Jeff Lacy.

These so called experts also do talk alot of crap sometimes, and i have my own opinion. And i think people do allow there opinion to get changed very easily listening to the hype and these so called experts, rather than going with there gut instinct and there own opinion.

Those are the fights people thought he looked crappy in ;D Not to mention Mitchell where he looked wild as hell.

I think it was obvious to anybody Calzaghe had more skill. People who were picking Lacy thought Joe had more skill. They just thought Lacy was too strong and skilled as he was Calzaghe could be drawn into more of slugfest than need be. Not to mention hand problems, ect.

Everybody gets caught up in hype every once in a while, we would all be wise to follow you're example. ;D Experts are full of shit some times, some times they're not.
10-22-2008, 05:03 PM
ICB

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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;D A lot of people who picked Lacy had seen the Vanderpool fight, the Sheika fight, the Reid, on and on.

He was on ESPN 2 coming up, of course people had seen Lacy fight.

Boxing writers, knowledgeable fans, dumb fans, etc. All across the board. All seen him fight numerous times no matter how hard you find that to believe Ice and still picked him.

At the same time they'd also seen Calzaghe look kind of crappy against some fairly average fighters.

I've seen almost every Joe Calzaghe fight and he has hardly ever struggled, only against awkward fighters like David Starie, Kabary Salem, Sakio Bika, Robin Reid, but thats because he allowed them to because he fights too much on the inside at times. And allows fighters to rough him up on the inside. But look at Joe Calzaghe's best performances against Charles Brewer, Chris Eubank, etc. Its obvious IMO skill wise Joe Calzaghe is way above Jeff Lacy.

These so called experts also do talk alot of crap sometimes, and i have my own opinion. And i think people do allow there opinion to get changed very easily listening to the hype and these so called experts, rather than going with there gut instinct and there own opinion.

Those are the fights people thought he looked crappy in ;D Not to mention Mitchell where he looked wild as hell.

I think it was obvious to anybody Calzaghe had more skill. People who were picking Lacy thought he had more skill. They just thought Lacy was too strong and skilled as he was Calzaghe could be drawn into more of slugfest than need be.

Everybody gets caught up in hype every once in a while, we would all be wise to follow you're example. ;D Experts are full of shit some times, some times they're not.

Im not saying i don't get caught up in the hype, i've been wrong about Kelly Pavlik, Juan Diaz. And i'll admit that but i honestly never thought Jeff Lacy was much of a fighter, and just because majority of fans felt he was the next coming of "Mike Tyson" doesn't mean we all thought that way and i certainly didn't.
10-22-2008, 05:06 PM
amat

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

ICB you joined in June? The fight was in March of 2006, March 4 to be exact it was my brother's birthday.

Calzaghe didn't exactly look spectacular against Byron Mithcell and it almost cost him.
10-22-2008, 05:06 PM
OumaFan

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

I had my doubts about him too but unfortunately my pick is on the record somewhere here :-\
10-22-2008, 05:08 PM
ICB

Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

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ICB you joined in June? The fight was in March of 2006, March 4 to be exact it was my brother's birthday.

Calzaghe didn't exactly look spectacular against Byron Mithcell and it almost cost him.

Yea i joined June 6th i think.

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