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Watch that video from about 1:40... he's picking tarver off from the ropes and then turns him onto them.... then at 1:55 he just backs away from him... that's not being shot... it's not having the confidence to step into the pocket and finish the job.
No body is going to deny that Roy doesn't have the physical attributes that he once had, or that he is the under dog in this fight... but he is far from shot and only Roy knows what he is taking into the ring mentally this time...
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Anyone who completly counts roy out has no clue about boxing,he only needs to show a few seconds of his old self and that could change a result even against someone as good as calzge.
I think Calzage will win but i think he would be a fool to take one of the all time greats past it or not lightly.
he didn't look good in the first tarver figh imo,
but he's not shot someone who shot is holyfield or morales
he still has the speed and also experienced and prime jones would of won those fights
it just happened that he got clocked by tarver.lost his confidence,,he aint got any confidence on his chin no more against glen johnson.it affected his usual laid back reckless abandon smooove style..thats it.hes far from bein shot.i think he slowly got his confidence back on his last few fights.there will be glimpses of the old roy jones jr against calzaghe.and joe can only hope those are short glimpses.;)
If Jones isn't shot he's WAY past his best.
Tell you what though, a way past his best Jones is still better than a 36 year old brittle handed Calzaghe who wings pitter patter punches with a porous defense.. Bernard dropped him once and wobbled him real bad with the last punch of the 7th round because Joe was just moving his hands and not punching..Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If you look at the Kessler fight joe ate alot of punches and got dazed a few times because he was careless.. If Jons hits him with the kind of punches that those 2 were able to than Joe is gonna get stopped!!!
Roy can fight and dig Joe with his back to the ropes and hurt him enough to have him think twice.. Guaranteed at 36 and 175lbs Joe cant throw more than 60 punches around without blowing out of his ass with exhaustion, not to mention Joe has never been countered as sharp, quick and powerfully as Jones will do, it will be enough for Joe to ask himself if its worth getting busted up just to throw a few BS insignifigant flurries
How long ago was it when Jones put in a last good performance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockTell you what though, a way past his best Jones is still better than a 36 year old brittle handed Calzaghe who wings pitter patter punches with a porous defense.. Bernard dropped him once and wobbled him real bad with the last punch of the 7th round because Joe was just moving his hands and not punching..Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If you look at the Kessler fight joe ate alot of punches and got dazed a few times because he was careless.. If Jons hits him with the kind of punches that those 2 were able to than Joe is gonna get stopped!!!
Roy can fight and dig Joe with his back to the ropes and hurt him enough to have him think twice.. Guaranteed at 36 and 175lbs Joe cant throw more than 60 punches around without blowing out of his ass with exhaustion, not to mention Joe has never been countered as sharp, quick and powerfully as Jones will do, it will be enough for Joe to ask himself if its worth getting busted up just to throw a few BS insignifigant flurries
Let me ask you this, when was the last time Roy put on a shitty performance?? been a few years..Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeHow long ago was it when Jones put in a last good performance ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockTell you what though, a way past his best Jones is still better than a 36 year old brittle handed Calzaghe who wings pitter patter punches with a porous defense.. Bernard dropped him once and wobbled him real bad with the last punch of the 7th round because Joe was just moving his hands and not punching..Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If you look at the Kessler fight joe ate alot of punches and got dazed a few times because he was careless.. If Jons hits him with the kind of punches that those 2 were able to than Joe is gonna get stopped!!!
Roy can fight and dig Joe with his back to the ropes and hurt him enough to have him think twice.. Guaranteed at 36 and 175lbs Joe cant throw more than 60 punches around without blowing out of his ass with exhaustion, not to mention Joe has never been countered as sharp, quick and powerfully as Jones will do, it will be enough for Joe to ask himself if its worth getting busted up just to throw a few BS insignifigant flurries
Joe looked awful and IMO lost to Hopkins, in which Joe was the recipent of the better more effective punches.. Believe me in the Garden the judge arent gonna give to shites about pattycake
I just don't see it, if anything I think he's been overrated by many coming into this. While there are some Calzaghe haters probably downplaying Roy's ability coming into this to take away from Joe if he wins, seems like there is some of the opposite of that going on with some Joe fans.
He's not shot to pieces but his legs are not there, very shaky, that's why he's spent so much time on the ropes in the last few years, he doesn't seem nearly as explosive even though he's still fast, his chin has obviously been dented and mentally I'm not sure if he's really there.
I have said this for a while, this is not a deal where I will say he grew old overnight if he loses to Joe. He might land cleaner punches early on but he won't be able to keep up as the fight goes on.
I think he has to hurt Joe, and not just once, I think he has to be able to fairly consistently rock Joe and I just don't see that happening. If I am wrong I am wrong, I was pretty spectacularly wrong about Cotto-Margarito but I'm much more confident about this than that fight.
not a fan of either actually but it would be a great story if Roy won.
Im watching Jones/Tarver 1 everyone was pointing out how Tarver was able to do work on Jones while he was on the ropes and how that would be disastorous against Calzaghe.. True that Tarver worked him over in the 1st 2 rounds getting in a few solid punches thru the guard, but as Jones started countering with lead rights to the body and head as well as countering the jab with lefthooks, Tarver was less eager to mix it up with Jones as Jones was hurting him and getting him to think twice about throwing and lead Antonio to be less commital on the ropes for fear of what was coming back..
I think all sensible parties will agree that Tarver is a bigger puncher than Calzaghe.. when Joe starts the locomotive of punches its not as effective if a Tarver starts thudding away at you. I cant help but feel that Roy has picked up his defense and ability to fight off the ropes that Joe is gonna get duffed up real bad with counters if he thinks he is gonna try to do a Manfredo on him.
Also we saw him get reckless against Bhop while he had him on the ropes and got shook really bad with 5 sec left that in the 7th round where he lost his legs because he was moving his hands and not really punching, if a slow Nard can slip in these hard right counters in a drop Joe and shake him bad than Jones laser like presicion is gonna present real problems, I think he is going to stifle Joe down the stretch by investing in the body and breaking him down and making him less eager because of counterpunching
I thought Tito's best work was to the body. He put earmuffs on a lot and relied on his hands and elbows to block more, compared to his younger self who would slip and counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinRegaining great stamina and having the ability to let your punches go...very tough at nearly 40. Not to mention his great reflexes have slipped considerably...so he gets hit more (even Tito was able to land). I just think it's near impossible for ANY fighter to be the same after brutal knockouts (especially at Roy's age). I hope i am wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
On bright spot I saw in the Tito fight was a commitment to the jab replacing wild lead left hooks. His fundamentals look pretty good.
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Originally Posted by JT RockTell you what though, a way past his best Jones is still better than a 36 year old brittle handed Calzaghe who wings pitter patter punches with a porous defense.. Bernard dropped him once and wobbled him real bad with the last punch of the 7th round because Joe was just moving his hands and not punching..Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If you look at the Kessler fight joe ate alot of punches and got dazed a few times because he was careless.. If Jons hits him with the kind of punches that those 2 were able to than Joe is gonna get stopped!!!
Roy can fight and dig Joe with his back to the ropes and hurt him enough to have him think twice.. Guaranteed at 36 and 175lbs Joe cant throw more than 60 punches around without blowing out of his ass with exhaustion, not to mention Joe has never been countered as sharp, quick and powerfully as Jones will do, it will be enough for Joe to ask himself if its worth getting busted up just to throw a few BS insignifigant flurries
The more I think about it, the more entertaining I think this will be. but From the perspective of being a Joe fan, I hate this fight. He has absolutley nothing to gain from it, all the pundits/fans/'experts'
like to point out to Roy's diminishing physical abilities, yet it is painfully obvious that Joe is no where near his best physically either.
At least Roy showed against Tito that he still had zip (if not outright power) in his punches, something that Joe hasn't showed since his fight against that Armenian fella who's parents forgot to put vowels in his name. Joe was never a one punch KO artist (very very few people are), but at his best he could still buzz and buckle fighters when he picked his punches, even though the stupid flurries you talk about have been creeping into his game for a long time now.