Who won Calzaghe or Hopkins? Vote here.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I'm a fanboy for telling the truth? Fair enough.

So.. you advocate CHEATING!!! Thats pretty low man. You would rather see a fighter win from fraudulent theatrics than fair and square?

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I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

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BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot. :rolleyes:

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins? ;D

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow. :-\:rolleyes:

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A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

LOL you were wrong he lost you said you could not see how he could lose well he lost LOL

I thought Hopkins edged it by a point.

It was a fight though that could of gone either way and i can't complain about the decision.

I personally would like to see a rematch.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

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BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot. :rolleyes:

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins? ;D

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow. :-\:rolleyes:

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A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

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haha was this post a joke? :D

Jones would have won had he not taken 9 rounds off! He must be really kicking himself now he realises his fight plan of getting battered and busted up against the ropes didn't work. 'If only I fought back' he must be saying :-\

And Hopkins who could barely finish the first Calzaghe fight as it was without taking 5 minute breaks during rounds must also be regretting that he forgot to throw punches in the second half of the fight.

He was obviously so preoccupied with winning and making Joe look bad that he forgot the small matter of trying to actually land blows himself. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by miles

BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot. :rolleyes:

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins? ;D

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow. :-\:rolleyes:

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A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

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haha was this post a joke? :D

Jones would have won had he not taken 9 rounds off! He must be really kicking himself now he realises his fight plan of getting battered and busted up against the ropes didn't work. 'If only I fought back' he must be saying :-\

And Hopkins who could barely finish the first Calzaghe fight as it was without taking 5 minute breaks during rounds must also be regretting that he forgot to throw punches in the second half of the fight.

He was obviously so preoccupied with winning and making Joe look bad that he forgot the small matter of trying to actually land blows himself. :rolleyes:

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LOL well said ;D;D;D;D

Calzaghe. Hopkins went defensive the full 12 rounds. How can you win with that style ? Sure he threw a couple of good clean shots but Calzaghe forced the fight and took it too him. He landed the more punches and outworked B-Hop end of.

I had it 115-112 Calzaghe.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Calzaghe landed over 100 pinches more than Hop so I think its pretty obvious who won .

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Thats ridiculous logic Samuel Peter landed 100 more punches than James Toney, in there 1st fight and everyone considers that a robbery. And that James Toney deserved the nod.

I think Bernard Hopkins won it, he landed the cleaner effective punches. Joe Calzaghe hardly landed a flush punch all night 114-113 Bernard Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

Calzaghe. Hopkins went defense the full 12 rounds. How Can you win with that style? Sure he threw a couple of good clean shots but Calzaghe forced the fight and took it too him. He landed the more punches and outworked B-Hop end of.

I had it 115-112 Calzaghe.

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Tell that too Willie Pep, Pernell Whitaker.

Bernard Calzaghe beat Joe Hopkins.

I find it frusterating when people say things like, "Only a [Calzaghe] hater would score the fight for Hopkins.", or that anyone who scored the fight for Hopkins is "in denial", or Hopkins cheated, or when people bring in all manner of arguments that have nothing do with who actually won the individual rounds etc. People who think Hopkins won have a legitimate point.

No one is saying it was a landslide victory for Hopkins, just that it was a close fight that could've gone either way depending on what you prefer - harder, accurate punches, and defense or aggression and volume.

This Calzaghe-fan inferiority complex some of you have is silly, every fighter has their detractors, and the truly great fighters often have more because at times they can polarize sentiment (ie PBF), but so what? No need to get all pissed off because someone else has a dissenting view about your favorite fighter. It's annoying and it makes it difficult to have a real discussion/debate without getting exasperated. I like Calzaghe, and most of his fans are fine, but some people go on about him like he's being viewed as some kind of neo-Sven Ottke, which is not the case.

PS. I like Calzaghe, I was cheering for Calzaghe in the Hopkins fight and I likely would if they fought again. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time because it was such a close fight.

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Originally Posted by CFH

I find it frusterating when people say things like, "Only a [Calzaghe] hater would score the fight for Hopkins.", or that anyone who scored the fight for Hopkins is "in denial", or Hopkins cheated, or when people bring in all manner of arguments that have nothing do with who actually won the individual rounds etc. People who think Hopkins won have a legitimate point.

No one is saying it was a landslide victory for Hopkins, just that it was a close fight that could've gone either way depending on what you prefer - harder, accurate punches, and defense or aggression and volume.

This Calzaghe-fan inferiority complex some of you have is silly, every fighter has their detractors, and the truly great fighters often have more because at times they can polarize sentiment (ie PBF), but so what? No need to get all pissed off because someone else has a dissenting view about your favorite fighter. It's annoying and it makes it difficult to have a real discussion/debate without getting exasperated. I like Calzaghe, and most of his fans are fine, but some people go on about him like he's being viewed as some kind of neo-Sven Ottke, which is not the case.

PS. I like Calzaghe, I was cheering for Calzaghe in the Hopkins fight and I likely would if they fought again. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time because it was such a close fight.

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You judge the fight in a non biased way and your opinion is different from mine that is fine because you have logical points and a clearly judging the fight not the records or who is a legend and so,but alot of people are juding the fight on these silly things and not on the fight also alot of people here are fans and are making silly excuses.
If all people judged on boxing alone i would agree with you but alot do not so they should be told when there points are not valid no?

The only reason Hopkins lost the fight was because he decided to throw NO punches for certain blocks of time. If he had just decided to throw a couple more a Hopkins win would've possibly happened. He had opportunities but I feel Hopkins gave it away and
Joe took advantage.

If Hopkins hadnt taken rounds off he wins
He did,and even though he wasnt being hit in pointing places,Joes work rate made it so the judges had a hard time seeing that.
Almost an object lesson for fighters,whats happening in the ring isnt what the judges are seeing from their angle.

Calzaghe won a scrappy fight clearly .... having had to chase and make the fight nearly all the way thru.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

I didn't say i advocate anything. I'm just saying, he does it all the time. And it wasn't cheating an any way. It was exaggerating the truth. He was hit low, it didn't hurt, but he exaggerated it.

When people are hit in the back of the head, even grazed, they always complain and tell the ref.. sometimes making it to be something more than it is.

It's call winning. Some people do whatever it takes to win, bernard is one of them.
If i get hit low, even if it doesnt hurt, and i have a chance to use that against my opponent.. why shouldn't I? That's either a point taken from him, or 5 minutes for me to rest. Bhop is smart.

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BHop is smart, but he is also a dirty cheat. And to make excuses for it is a reflection upon yourself. The way you talk, you are nothing but a fan boy yourself. And also a hater.

Didnt you say you saw "no way of seeing how Jones could lose to Calzaghe?" And two days later you remarkably pronounce that Jones Jr is shot. :rolleyes:

Thats some boxing knowledge right there. Amazing insight.

And here you are telling us that BHop would most likely do better in a rematch. Do you really think Calzaghe would go in with exactly the same gameplan as well. Is it really "that simple"? Hopkins throws a bit more and wins? ;D

And you are telling other people they are fanboys?? Wow. :-\:rolleyes:

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A hater, how? By stating the obvious? And yes I said there's no way I See jones losing to calzaghe, and stated why. And for a few rounds jones showed exactly what I thought would be the case before succumbing to pressure. So I wasn't entirely wrong at all.

In my prediction, i said if jones doesn't take any rounds off he wins. Just so happends, he took 9 rounds off.

Explain to me how I'm being a fan boy in anyway, please? Everyone on this board has the biggest hard on for Joe Calzaghe for reasons unknown. and when someone states somethign blatantly obvious that just so happends to be "against" your beloved Joe Calzaghe, you guys get offended.

Pull Joes dick out of your mouth and see the facts, please. The facts are EVERY fighter is guilty of doing what it takes to win even if that means stretching the truth. A victory is a victory. Joe should have kept his hands up then hopkins would have never been able to stretch any truths, because there would be nothing to stretch.

and YES it IS that simple. Hopkins throws a bit more and wins. Please, name me one fight where Joe Calzaghe actually fought differently than his usual. He's the same fighter every night. He has a Plan A, and plan A seems to ALWAYS work. Because his Plan A is so good, he never needs a Plan B or C. This is me admitting Joe Calzaghe's greatness.. so explain to me how I'm a fan boy?

But at the same time, without ever needing a Plan B or C, we don't know if he needs one now. If it aint broke, dont fix it. That was bhops mentality for a very long time and obviously he saw that it was broken against Calzaghe, he'd fix it in a rematch.

Calzaghe fought bhop the same way he's fought everyone. He'll most likely come out and implement the same plan the next time because 1. It's the only plan he has. and 2. It worked the first time.. why switch it? This isn't rocket science.

Bhop works a little more, and wins. It's that simple. His defense isn't going to change any. Calzaghe won't do anything different to hit Bernard More. So it really comes down to wether bhop wants to engage a bit more or not.

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In another thread you clearly stated that you saw no way Jones Jr. could lose this. By saying that you immediately discredit Calzaghe, and shows you have expectations of Jones Jr that are somewhat disconnected from reality.

Ah, but Jones Jr did manage to take the first round! So even that is a means of you trying to say that you were partly right. Forget the fact that it was whitewash thereafter and Calzaghe won every round. Calzaghe even seemed to let up on Jones in the final 2 rounds. Perhaps showing the respect he and Jones obviously have for one another.

A fan boy is someone who is not able to look at things objectively but will follow a fighter no matter what the facts are. You failed to appreciate Jones Jr's slide. You are a hater of Calzaghe because you failed to see any way Jones could lose to him. I could just call you naive, but I like the term hater more. Much better for bandying around internet forums with machismo aplomb.

Maybe you could pull Hopkins dick out of your mouth yourself. If you cannot appreciate the subtlety in Calzaghes game then you are blind. Watch a few Calzaghe fights and you will see for yourself the different nuances in his style, and the way he adapts to whatever is in front of him. Wasn't pretty but he still went overseas and outworked and outlanded the racist prick who has a dick firmly wedged down your throat. :p

Hopkins is one of the dirtiest and most exhausting boxers to watch. His plan A is to circle. His plan B is to hold. His plan C is to counter and his plan D is to fall on the ground whimpering like a little baby. I am in awe of the legend that is BHop. I am in thrall to the way he can mix up his four extremely varied and intricate plans. And would happily pay 50 dollars to watch him every time. :rolleyes:

The only time Hopkins changed a little was because of Pavlik. Pavliks style that night allowed him to. Hopkins CANNOT fight like that against Calzaghe because if you bring it to Joe, you are going to exhaust yourself and be in for an even longer night. Hopkins best strategy is to alternate plans A to D. At least then he keeps it ugly and doesnt embarrass himself in any way.